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Paul Watson wrote: I don't see how a dealer plate is offensive.
Hey Paul,
I kinda see Marc's point. The plate itself may not be offensive - but the whole idea of giving them some free advertising, when they've fleeced out every penny they possibly can get out of you, and continue to fleece you even more when you take the car back for repairs (on stuff that shouldn't have been broken in the first place), is crazy!
Regards,
Nish
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It is a vicious cycle that someone needs to break. Be that person 
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland
FeedHenry needs you
eh, stop bugging me about it, give it a couple of days, see what happens.
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Paul Watson wrote: Be that person
I am already - vicious cycles and chains nearly always stop at me - I am too lazy to get back at people 
Regards,
Nish
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote: vicious cycles and chains nearly always stop at me
Sounds more like you've had an close encounter with the Hell's Angels motorcycle gang. 
Marc
Pensieve
Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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I think you just wanted to use the word fleece.
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright
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brianwelsch wrote: I think you just wanted to use the word fleece.
Regards,
Nish
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They just are. Like bumper stickers. You could put the most benign, least-offensive slogan on a bumper sticker, and it would still be annoying to other drivers, an offense against good taste.
The fact that you essentially paid to have the dealer decals printed and affixed just makes it that much more insulting...
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Marc Clifton wrote: Precisely my thought. BTW, I also remove the dealer's license plate frame from my car. Why the heck should I be a free ad billboard for them?
Even worse is those dealers that put stickers on your windows, or the ones that so proudly get some workshop kid to do a final pre-delivery wipe down with a ratty old T-shirt with properties not dissimilar to sand paper!
I'm with you - if you want me to advertise something for you, there'd better be something in it for me.
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Marc Clifton wrote: BTW, I also remove the dealer's license plate frame from my car. Why the heck should I be a free ad billboard for them?
Good attitude - wish I had thought of this. Specially when they charge you $25 to change a turn signal bulb (that costs < $5).
Regards,
Nish
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Marc Clifton wrote: Why the heck should I be a free ad billboard for them?
Next car I buy, I'll ask if they'll send me a check for $20/mth ad space.  Fair enough, right?
BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright
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Marc Clifton wrote: I also remove the dealer's license plate frame from my car. Why the heck should I be a free ad billboard for them?
I don't mind the license plate frame as long as it is black and doesn't have a dorky slogan. Where I draw the line are the decals. I tell them upfront "Put a decal on the car and the deal is off!!!"
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
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I mostly install pre-release bits of programming platforms/SDKs. I have had the pleasure (many times over) of installing/uninstalling the .NET Framework 3.0 on my home machine w/o the luxury of Virtual PC keeping me safe (WPF stresses my box to limit as is!).
I normally don't install pre-release bits of non-dev apps. Come to think of it, I hardly use my computer for anything other than dev. Weird. 
:josh:
My WPF Blog[^]
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Josh Smith wrote: installing/uninstalling
Except with some beta software the beta seems to stretch to the uninstall function as well, and can leave you feeling like you've taken your car to a dodgy mechanic. Everything was supposedly put back... but it just doesn't quite run the same
"Nothing ever changes by staying the same." - David Brent (BBC's The Office) ~ ScrollingGrid: A cross-browser 2-way-scrolling freeze-header control for the ASP.NET DataGrid
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I used to have a BMW - but after all these dodgy mechanics I ride a three legged goat! (just kidding - it's not that bad )
:josh:
My WPF Blog[^]
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote: made the term 'beta' meaningless
It means you don't have a right to get upset if it goes down or if it doesn't quite work as you expected... Google can just say: "well it is BETA".
And it means they don't have to waste their precious PHD employees' times having to support the systems and answering dumb questions like "why doesn't your compose editor have more smilies?"
"Nothing ever changes by staying the same." - David Brent (BBC's The Office) ~ ScrollingGrid: A cross-browser 2-way-scrolling freeze-header control for the ASP.NET DataGrid
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Once I installed VS2005 Beta and it was an adventure
Seriously, for me it's interesting to install betas when they are on the final stages of development and to know what are offering or improving.
Marc.
... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Dire Straits
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Visual Studio still seems to be in beta state now 
It hangs on me like ten times a day.
I love the new stuff, though.
Lutz
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hmm, I haven't got that problem.
I loved the beta, it was fun to see how much changed over time 
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
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Yes, for a beta it was ok but not for a commercial release 
... she said you are the perfect stranger she said baby let's keep it like this... Dire Straits
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True, but that's the whole point of beta's. Test out features and repair bugs. Not to be a product that is done.
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
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Hmm,
does a system with Pentium 4 3 Ghz Processor and 1 GB Ram count as low end system?
VS 2005 handles a lot of things hidden from the developer.
If any of these hidden things are changed, VS 2005 is veeeery fragile.
It is great when it runs.
I use databinding a lot and it hangs a lot.
Probably have to know how to use it.
Lutz
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