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I use SD for dotnet 1.1 a lot but at the moment am using VS2005 Beta2. How stable is SD 2?
Jon
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The text editor, code completion etc. are stable. The debugger needs a bit of work, but is usable. However the form designer went crazy on the final version of the .NET Framework, don't use it without creating a backup of your form.
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Yup I'm using SharpDev 2 as well, looks pretty good. I'd like to have two items and them I'm entirely happy:
- Release/Debug compilation switch. David was working on this for the coming release I heard.
- To be able to set a break on an exception when debugging.
Wout
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Daniel Grunwald wrote: I'm using SharpDevelop 2.0
Hallo Daniel, euer #d ist großartig. Weiter so!
'A programmer ist just a tool which converts caffeine into code'
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... according to some CP regulars, advertising for your own project isn't forbidden if the project is cool enough (and free).
So please tell we why you didn't like it.
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Daniel Grunwald wrote: (and free).
That is the key word, free. As no one who trys a stunt like posting an advertizement in a public forum will ever get a penny from me.
John
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The only thing i really like about SharpDevelop, is that orange fish. For the rest, i think i'll just stick to Visual Studio .
Pompiedompiedom...
"..Commit yourself to quality from day one..it's better to do nothing at all than to do something badly.."
-- Mark McCormick
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It really depends on your environment. As we in part distribute source to other developers, we tend to target the most common environments (VS6 and VS2003), although we also test with VS5.0 (gasp!), VS2002 and VS2005.
As VS2005 becomes more widespread, we'll probably move our new development to it, but for now VS2003 is our primary development environment, with code back-ported to VS6.0 where necessary (ResOrg and LintProject).
Anna
Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services
Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia Graesch
"Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart"
- A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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There's one solution at the moment that needs VS 2003, But I'm thinking of converting the project to VS2005 so that I can continue to work from there.
Everything else is going to be build in VS2005.
WM.
What about weapons of mass-construction?
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Why do you stick to VS6? I thought that I would never need something else than VS6. I promised myself that I'll never go back after trying the 2005 beta.
Behind every great black man...
... is the police. - Conspiracy brother
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Because I don't have a $1,000 to burn on either 2003 or 2005. And VC6 works OK.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
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Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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2003 or 2005's ide is not as good as 6's, i feel
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you shouldn't say so strong words... of course, you believe it if you're saying it, but it may be because you're just very familiar with VS6.
i do love VS6, i do use it often still (see, my VisualCalc article is still made on VS6), but VS2003 worthes to be used, even for simple C++ projects.
VS2005 worthes it too, but i don't have the cash yetn so...
about only the IDE, VS2kx has improved many useful functionnalities, especially on screen space use...
TOXCCT >>> GEII power [toxcct][VisualCalc]
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Grant Chan wrote: 2003 or 2005's ide is not as good as 6's, i feel
I used to feel that way too. But now swapping down to VC6 after using VS2003 makes me feel like I'm going back to the dark ages. I have one final application suite in VC6 now and luckily I don't have to do much work on it. If I had the time to do the job properly I'd convert it to VS 2003 or even VS2005.
Michael
CP Blog [^] Development Blog [^]
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I think it depends on what you are doing, and what you're personally comfortable with in an IDE.
As someone who writes add-in products for every version of Visual Studio from 5.0 up to 2005, I find VS 5.0 and 6.0 a real pain because the IDE only has very limited customisation - you can't define tool windows or new output window panes, for example (actually it's worse than that, you can't even clear the output window in VS 5.0/6.0!). By contrast, VS2002 onwards have an extremely comprehensive extensibility model which allows a high degree of customisation. If you use the Visual Studio SDK (formerly VSIP) you can even integrate new languages!
Unless you're writing extensibility products or tools, you won't see those limitations in VS 5.0/6.0 - but they are certainly real.
Personally, I find VS 6.0 OK (ish), although the STL support is cruddy (how many warnings on level 4?), ATL3 is like a straighjacket after you've used ATL7, the compiler doesn't support standard for scope rules and the IDE has a tendancy to fall over when dealing with large workspaces (bigger than 80 projects or so). The latter of those was the real killer for us.
Anna
Riverblade Ltd - Software Consultancy Services
Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia Graesch
"Anna's just a sexy-looking lesbian tart"
- A friend, trying to wind me up. It didn't work.
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Jim Crafton wrote: Because I don't have a $1,000 to burn on either 2003 or 2005.
You can get it for much less than that.
Kevin
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You can get the Pro version for less $1000? Where? Even the CP discount is $899, which is also beyound my budget. The standard version is only suitable for playing around with.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0
0 rows returned
Save an Orange - Use the VCF!
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The price may stop you from using it, but if one says: 'Already tried, I'll stick to VS6' he / she implicitly says that there is enough money, but the product is not interesting enough. I wanted to know why he doesn't find it interesting.
Behind every great black man...
... is the police. - Conspiracy brother
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Bob Stanneveld wrote: The price may stop you from using it, but if one says: 'Already tried, I'll stick to VS6' he / she implicitly says that there is enough money, but the product is not interesting enough. I wanted to know why he doesn't find it interesting.
For us,
1) 10 years invested in product with over 34-40 projects.
2) High expertise, we can design anything we want with current tools.
3) We need to make sure we support all WIN32 systems.
4) Growth of other platforms and business, makes us rethink any new major upgrade investment for a single platform with little need or benefit.
5) The last time we use an exclusive single company language, we got burned big time (Borland, Delphi). The only reason it is even a consideration for anyone, is well, its Microsoft it still has a big market
6) Microsoft is pissing me off more and more each day with its never ending entry into vertical or vendor market business lines and ever expanding lock dependency on their system, tools, etc.
and other reasons. I remember hearing Bill Gates in a Seattle Local TV News station when I arrived in the hotel room, the day before Windows Developers conference, answering the interview question, "how do you compete with competitors?" he anwsers "Control the standards, then change them every two-three years." That left a very bittle taste in me and I never forgot it. It left an never ending impression that one day, this guy is going to have me by the balls and I won't be able to do anything about it.
So we do what we have and avoid any "lock in dependency" tendencies. In short, we just feel safe with VS 6.0 C/C++ development.
That said, I have not looked at Visual .NET Studio 2003 or Visual Studio 2005, and we might be interesting a basically a VS 6.0 "Upgrade" with maybe a better GUI designer. I'm just note interested in an extra baggage.
Hope that provides some insight.
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Hector Santos, CTO
Santronics Software, Inc.
http://www.santronics.com
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Bob Stanneveld wrote: Why do you stick to VS6?
* Getting a large code base from VC6 to 2005 is a nightmare.
* for the same performance, we need new PCs (2005 is a terribly slow dog on anything but a P4 1G system), new monitors (screen estate waste!)
* updates for all addons, some are not available
Alas, I'm running into to many problems with VC6, so that I have to move on
Pandoras Gift #44: Hope. The one that keeps you on suffering. aber.. "Wie gesagt, der Scheiss is' Therapie" boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist | doxygen
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at the day job the current rumor is that they are going to try to get work to agree to pay for VS 2005, but who knows when, or even if, that will happen.
if this is anything like the move from VS 2002 to VS 2003 the projects will have to under go a one way conversion when we do the move. at which point, once someone has successfully made the change the cvs will be updated with the new format projects, and all of us will be told to make the one way jump to the new IDE.
for home use, and the evening job, i will just install VS 2005 along side VC6 and VS 2003, and use all three of them as and when required for testing.
i will continue to run all of the IDE's for as long as there are customers out there using them, and the software supports them. thanks to the magic of VMWare i don't have to worry about uninstalling VS 2005 beta 2, so i can just jump straight into this once i have this downloaded.
zen is the art of being at one with the two'ness
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Did VS 2005 fix any of the problems from VS 2003? For instance, the slow macro start-up time and the resource editor. Or is it only .NET stuff that's improved?
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