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I just remember all the bad things people would do in C++. I did enjoy developing in it though because I could always show very elegant designs and patterns in it because it lacked so much support and people knew so little about how to do proper designs in C++. Referenced counted pointers in C++ still elude many. However I don't think I would use the words you did to describe C++.  Hey at least VS.NET 2003 is something like 95%+ ISO C++ Compliant.
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Drew
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I was wondering too 
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... can be a big adventure .
I built my first (own) pc at the age of 14.
Don't try it, just do it!
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I just hope Lauren doesn't read this!
-- LuisR
Luis Alonso Ramos
Intelectix - Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
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I hope she doesn't read the text votes. 
Everybody is entitled to my opinion
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I think it's the best way to have the best components.
You can choose what you really want and it's easy. Even if you don't know much about hardware (I am a software devellopper), it's easy.
I bought all my pieces from ncix.com, I found the best price on the net for a canadian company, received all my good within a week and everything was working fine without a problem !
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What is the deal with building your own laptop? Desktops I have done myself and done right it is the better way.
With a laptop though I realise it is a lot more involved but can it be done and if not will it ever be possible?
I ask because I just got my first laptop and while it's a lovely machine I would have made a few small changes if I had built it myself.
regards,
Paul Watson
South Africa
Michael Dunn wrote:
"except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU"
Crikey! ain't life grand?
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I am sure that could be done too.
Main problem is that it's take way more skills. The boards are smaller, and there isn't many pieces avaible yet and you would end up with the same cie pieces (90%) just like if you bought it directly from that cie.
But the main problem, is the case. If you watch the way laptops are built, all the pieces are different, the dvd-cd-rom drivers, hard-disk, cpu etc... are not always at the same place, so not all the pieces fits anywhere. And on a laptop, it's essentially only a big motherboard that have the graphic, sound, network etc... all together. So you would only be choosing your motherboard, your driver and your hard-disk, and to choose your keyboard and lcd screen with your case.
So in the end, would you really save, would all the troubles makes something bigger ? Not for now, may be in the futur. But there is no demands for it so no cie or shops are offering it. Most people who buy a laptop, use it for work or study, so you need something to use it fast without assle cause you don,t have time to bug on it. (time is money)
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Yeah, I can see it now.... get a nice 3800+ AMD 64bit processor, 3gb 675Mhz PC5400 DDR2 ram, 40gb SCSI HDD, 250gb IDE HDD, ATI Radeon x800 and good liquid cooling system. Then overclock that baby. *drools*
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Aaron Eldreth
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I am not on overcloacking, cause I prefer to have something stable and have more fiability. And also because I find liquid cooling to be too much for my needs right now  !
Also, don't know if you had read it, but one company is working on a PCI slot card that would have 1 or 2 processor incorporate with it. You would be able to do 50gigaflops with those things. They will cost around 50,000$ cause that's an high performance board to work on data. But I am sure some cie will build the same thing with lower cost processor and you could add more processor on it, so it could run like a normal computer, no need of new os or anything, just add the drivers and you have a duel-processor ! It's work the same was a graphic card work. (I think I got an idea for a new cie, who wanna join).
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Watever_4 wrote:
But I am sure some cie
Watever_4 wrote:
for a new cie
 does "cie" mean? it's not a type, since you use it more than once.
The kindest thing you can do for a stupid person, and for the gene pool, is to let him expire of his own dumb choices.
[Roger Wright on stupid people]
We're like private member functions
[John Theal on R&D]
We're figuring out the parent thing as we go though. Kinda like setting up Linux for the first time ya' know...
[Nitron]
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sorry
cie = compagnie in french
wich is company in english ! I am just used to it. I am a french canadian as you could see by my bad english writting.
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D'accord, je comprends maintenant. Merci beaucoup pour l'explanation.
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Aaron Eldreth
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I also build them myself, I know both a lot about hardware and about software. My job normally has something to do with technical computer sciense (that's why I need to know much about hardware).
Building your own computer usually gives you a better price/quality than when you would buy a Dell or Packard Bell computer.
"Every rule in a world of bits and bytes can be bend or eventually be broken"
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Macs are the perfect gaming system as this commercial[^] perfectly states. Why can't more people see the light?
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Aaron Eldreth
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Probably because most of us develop with and for Microsoft technologies. Not terribly Mac friendly (though I reckon Apple does top-class work).
regards,
Paul Watson
South Africa
Michael Dunn wrote:
"except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU"
Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Did you watch the commercial? It's a joke about why Macs are so much better for gaming.
"There are a lot of great games on the Mac, like Warcraft3..... umm..... That puzzle game with the Apple Logo. That's a great game, I beat it but it's still fun."
"On a PC, when it's time to upgrade, you have to open up your case... swap video card... change jumpers. But on the Mac, when it's time to upgrade, you just pick it up, throw it away and get a new one. Now that's convience."
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Aaron Eldreth
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hehe yeah, it is a oft-emailed movie that. Hilarious. I thought I'd answer the question anyway because there will be someone here who seriously asks it.
regards,
Paul Watson
South Africa
Michael Dunn wrote:
"except the sod who voted this a 1, NO SOUP FOR YOU"
Crikey! ain't life grand?
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Aaron Eldreth wrote:
Why no Macs?
I'd love a Mac, just as a geek toy but a decent one is just too far out of my price range.
Michael
CP Blog [^]
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I just inherited two Macs from my brother. He died a couple of months ago.
One of them is a PowerMac G4, dual 1GHz processors, 1 Gig RAM, 17" LCD monitor. Perfect system for video editing.
The other system is a Powerbook G4 1.33GHz notebook with a 12" screen. This is what I would call a geek toy.
I only wish I had received them under different circumstances.
Kelly Herald
Software Developer
MPC
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Mac? whats a Mac?
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Aaron Eldreth wrote:
Macs are the perfect gaming system as this commercial[^] perfectly states. Why can't more people see the light?
Nope, don't think so. Its going to be an XBox or PS2. Then a PC & Game cube, and a Mac is at the bottom of the pile for gaming.
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Both my laptop and desktop are Dell machines. I've been buying Dell since 2001 when I got a second hand Dell Laptop. Never had any problems with them that wasn't self inflicted.
Before that I used to get custom built machines from a local one man shop. He eventually went out of business because he couldn't match the prices of the bigger stores. A shame, as he was a top quality engineer who gave excellent customer service.
Michael
CP Blog [^]
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Michael P Butler wrote:
He eventually went out of business because he couldn't match the prices of the bigger stores. A shame, as he was a top quality engineer who gave excellent customer service.
that sucks. actually, if i build my own PC now, it's solely for personaql reasons, as i can't even match the mega-makers, even doing all the work myself! And if you actually run legal SW, hmph, forget it.
~Nitron.
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True. Building from scratch is no cheaper than buying from some of the bigger stores or mail order. The only advantage is you really get the system you want. No need to compromise with getting great graphics but no DVD-RW etc. Have it all
I have 2 PC's both built from scratch, both have never given me any problems at all. I must admit to liking Dell stuff though. I used to use a Dell desktop in my last place of employment and have a second hand Dell Lattitude laptop which still runs perfectly. I dont think i would buy a brand desktop for personal use though.
Jon
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