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MattyT wrote:
But then I imagine that CodeProjects biggest 'market' is Visual Studio users, particularly application developers...perhaps that explains the skewed result?
Er, and who were you expecting? 
The bees will find their honey;
The sweetest every time...
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Cause we all know how much the *nix market loves clearcase (or any other vcs, i.e. bitkeeper) !  *
* This is a snide jab at the *endless* flamewars that crop up on the linu kernel mailing list, where the gpl folks rag on and on and on and on and on... about the inherent evils of bitkeeper and it's odious license (which basically says, if you use the free version of bit keeper, you agree not to use it on projects that make a competing product to bit keeper).
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire!
Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)!
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It was what I was expecting - I was just pointing out that because Perforce or ClearCase may be industry standards it doesn't mean that a survey on CodeProject may accurately reveal that...
Cheers,
Matt
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MattyT wrote:
I use ClearCase and I love it.
Interesting. We were using CC for about a year, and pretty much everybody hated it. We even made an office party when we swiched back to VSS 
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Now that's interesting! Many people here don't have my affinity for ClearCase but there'd be a revolution if we tried to use VSS... 
Actually I'm not sure VSS could do what we need - we have four primary sites around the world and require multiple developers working on the same code at the same time...would VSS cope? I've only used it in a two man team but it seemed very simple.
I can understand why people don't like ClearCase though - it's a big, hairy system and requires considerable management. However, it's very flexible and powerful and, after using it, other systems just seem very limiting.
Cheers,
Matt
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
We even made an office party when we swiched back to VSS
Man, you guys really are geeks! 
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Booohoo!
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We use VSS because it integrates with the IDEs that we have used over the years.
I know myself and I know most of the guys I work with; ask us to use some command-line-console or extra-IDE app and it won't happen.
Saying that I do see problems with VSS and would appreciate any recommendations for a source system that integrates with VS.NET 2003.
ta
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
South Africa
Christopher Duncan quoted:
"...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives"
Crikey! ain't life grand?
Einstein says...
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Paul Watson wrote:
Saying that I do see problems with VSS and would appreciate any recommendations for a source system that integrates with VS.NET 2003.
I'm currently evaulating SourceGear vault[^]
I haven't tried it's VS.NET integration yet, but it does have it. I don't tend to use the VSS integration with .NET either as my development procedures require me to know which files I'll be changing before I start coding. Switching to the source control app to check files in and out, forces me to think things through first.
Michael
But you know when the truth is told,
That you can get what you want or you can just get old,
Your're going to kick off before you even get halfway through.
When will you realise... Vienna waits for you? - "The Stranger," Billy Joel
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Michael P Butler wrote:
I'm currently evaulating SourceGear vault[^]
I'll second Vault. I'm currently using it with a C# Compact Framework project on VS.NET 2003, and I've used it with ASP.NET projects and even VB6 without problems - it integrated into all of them well.
Plus it has a reasonably good diff tool too.
Ian Darling
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
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Thanks Ian, I will look into it.
Good luck on that competition entry
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
South Africa
Christopher Duncan quoted:
"...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives"
Crikey! ain't life grand?
Einstein says...
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Paul Watson wrote:
Good luck on that competition entry
Sadly, it isn't a competition entry but actual work (my job is mostly mobile and web development). And I already have an iPAQ
I did mull over the notion of writing a simple version of Rez, but alas I'm too busy at the moment.
Ian Darling
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
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I rarely find myself checking in and out so many files that Visual Studio integration makes that much of a difference. I'd rather have to think about what files I'm touching rather than just going off and doing it.
Also, integration with the IDE buys you nothing for automatic builds, and projects that don't need the IDE (plain text files, binaries, scripts, etc.)
Sometimes I feel like I'm a USB printer in a parallel universe.
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Fair enough, your needs are different. I need integration with VS.NET or I don't use a source system.
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
South Africa
Christopher Duncan quoted:
"...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives"
Crikey! ain't life grand?
Einstein says...
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What 'source control' system u use then?
There is nothing new under the sun,
But there are lots of old things we don't know.
- Ambrose Bierce
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Visual Source Safe. I want to change though as the team grows.
regards,
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
South Africa
Christopher Duncan quoted:
"...that would require my explaining Einstein's Fear of Relatives"
Crikey! ain't life grand?
Einstein says...
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I agree. I use WinCVS and it caters for all my needs. Integration with Visual Studio just doesn't feature on my radar.
The Rob Blog
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Vault is great.
The only complaint I have about vault and it's integration is it's stupid requirement to use the mouse. There is no short-cut to get rid of the comment query dialogs when checking out, which is extremelly annoying. Otherwise it's simply great.
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I'm suprised no one uses Bitkeeper. From what I heard about it it is less complicated to use than things like Dimensions, or Clearcase, and has better features than CVS.
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It hasn't been updated in ages. Microsoft is improving their source control support with other products such as Perforce. Only God and Bill Gates knows when Microsoft is going to stop supporting VSS.
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As of 16:19 EDT on 4/12, more people use no version control than use CVS.
I'm honestly surprised.
Even when I'm the sole author of the code - test tools, utilities etc. - I still use some sort of source control. Having used it regularly on all multi-developer projects (i.e. more than one person) I can appreciate and make use of the benefits a SCC system offers even for my own projects. I'm surprised so many people don't see that benefit.
Brad
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I'm surprised too. Even on solo projects I use CVS (via a local repository) so I can checkout old releases, etc. as needed - or just checkout copies to tinker with. I cannot imagine development without CVS - after the compiler/development environment it is my most important tool.
We use a Unix CVS repository here at work which is over 10 years old! I have opne project that was added to CVS in 1992 (and still needs to be tinkered with about once a year!).
The Rob Blog
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CVS isn't that user friendly.
Todd Smith
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It's user friendly. It's just picky about who it considers a friend.
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Booohoo!
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It is VSS. However, most of the time my projects don't warrent the use of any source control.
Matt Newman
All rise for the honorable Judge Stone Cold Steve Austin - From Dilbert Episode 30
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