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I wonder how fast is .NET and especially some of its components.
As everyone can read pinvoke is slow. Does it make sense to uses it in real applications (applications you want to sell and to be sure that there aren't any problems for you and your customers) for cases where there is no real need to to it like creating fancy custom GUI?
How fast is GDI+? Does it depend on CPU power or it just requires powerful 2D (or 3D) accelerator?
For me SharpDevelop is an example for a very slow application. I wonder if all .NET applications with complex GUI will be as slow as SharpDevelop. (I think that WebMatrix is also completely written for .NET and it is totally fast!!! Does this mean that SharpDevelop is not written well enough?)
Should one be careful when using GDI+ for creating new custom windows forms controls or for stuff like CAD drawing, bitmap and vector manipulation programs? Eventually if these programs are executed on latest CPUs and graphics accelerators they will run fast but what about old and slow systems like: P90 or even P400 with old slow TNT or worse graphic cards?
What is your oppinion? Could you, please, enlighten me? I'm talking here about commercial use and not about free time development ;_)
Thank you!
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I certainly hope I formulated my questions clear enough for you to understand and that they make sense.
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Excellent article, BTW, Nish! Didn't get a chance to say it before.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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Cristoff wrote:
I wonder how fast is .NET and especially some of its components.
Fast enough.
Hey, wait! Put down that axe and let me explain it. 
Cristoff wrote:
As everyone can read pinvoke is slow.
Slower it the word, not slow. It is slower than a native call, but it's quite fast for most applications. I wouldn't make a PInvoke call on a tight loop, tought.
Cristoff wrote:
How fast is GDI+? Does it depend on CPU power or it just requires powerful 2D (or 3D) accelerator?
GDI+ is not hardware accelerated. It depends solely on the main CPU.
Cristoff wrote:
For me SharpDevelop is an example for a very slow application.
Me too. But they are focusing on several other things than performance. So, give them a break. On machines > 800Mhz, and well crafted .NET code, most of the time, users don't see a huge performance hit.
Cristoff wrote:
Should one be careful when using GDI+ for creating new custom windows forms controls or for stuff like CAD drawing, bitmap and vector manipulation programs?
For things like that hardware acceleration is a must. I would go for Managed DirectX, and would not use GDI+ as the performance hit would be too high.
Cristoff wrote:
What is your oppinion?
Performance analysis is extremely dependant of your problem domain. Some (20) years ago, people raised the same kind of question about compilers x pure asm. IMHO, the most wise answer at that time was: "if you are worrying if something will be 2x slower when compiled, then you can't afford a compiler, go and code in ASM". For the kind of work I do, the hit was neglectable, but YMMV.
Cristoff wrote:
about old and slow systems like: P90 or even P400 with old slow TNT or worse graphic cards?
You mentioned using graphics intensive applications on P90 and P400 machines. If these are custommers you can't afford to lose, and/or they can't afford a new machine, you should stick with C++.
You can do it on anything you choose - from .bat to .net - A customer
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Thank you everyone...
To Nish: I find your articles very well written, keep on!
To Daniel:
Some (20) years ago, people raised the same kind of question about compilers x pure asm.
That's out of question. I know that .NET languages could be fast enough, even faster  but some componets like GDI+, SharpDevelop and some samples make me wonder if .NET is suitable for slower computers.
One thing out Microsoft I don't like is that they seem to belive that their OSes have to comsume all computer resources, they do not leave any to the user applications.
A few years ago when I tryied QNX I was totally surprised how little RAM did it need and how fast it was, same goes for BeOS. These systems seem to have been designed to do their job without interfering with the user's job.
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Cristoff wrote:
A few years ago when I tryied QNX I was totally surprised how little RAM did it need and how fast it was, same goes for BeOS. These systems seem to have been designed to do their job without interfering with the user's job.
I know the feeling. I have a system running RH Linux 7.1 which is an AMD K6 400Mhz with 128MB RAM. The machine is mainly a development server, and it's running:
1. CVS server
2. SSH server
3. Apache server
4. MySQL Server (for bugzilla)
5. Bugzilla
6. CVSWEB
7. SMTP server
8. Several other small typical *nix utilities and daemons, like cron, etc.
9. Several scheduled jobs for backups, automatic updates, system statistics (sar), etc.
All of this and the machine is using 75MB RAM. I could even reduce it further, probably to something on the 40~50MB range, but as I'm lazy, I didn't bother. The uptime of the machine:
[root@linux /root]# uptime
10:41am up 287 days, 21:46, 4 users, load average: 0.15, 0.03, 0.01
Notice that before of this we had a power failure and our >200 days uptime was ruined. So, the real uptime is in the 500 days range, without a single reboot.
I am yet to see a Windows machine doing this. The next Windows version, Longhorn, will need a minimum 3D-capable video card with almost double the memory I need to run this whole server.
You can do it on anything you choose - from .bat to .net - A customer
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Hi, I have a datagrid boud to a dataset. I am saving the changes by usign the DataAdapter.update(DataSet) method. This woks fine except when the user is position on the last row of the datagrid (the addnew row) with every field DBnull. In this case I am gettin a NonNull alowed exception. I think what I have got to do is cancel the edit on the last row ,when the primary key is Null, and then position the datagrid to the last valid row. If anyone can help I´d be very thankfull.
Thanks,
Pedro
Pedro
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I don't allow records with nulls in required (primary etc.) fields. User must fill them or delete the records.
Hi,
AW
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Thaks, it was alot simpler than what I was trying to do.
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Hi ...
Since I couldn't find a converter from .rc to cs forms i wanted to write one by myself.
Now the problem that arises is, that though the alignment is right (so the buttons and radio boxes are at the right places) the scale is smaller.
I try to explain:
all controls are closer to each other and smaller, so you can't read them.
It's about the factor 1.5 -> 2 .. don't know exactely.
Does any one of you know where this might come from and how i can fix it ?
Thanks
P.S.: I used the values directly from the rc file and write them directly to the cs form file.
and sorry for my bad english
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Somnatic wrote:
I used the values directly from the rc file and write them directly to the cs form file.
I think that is part of the problem. If I remember correctly, the values in the rc file are in DLU's; not pixels like .NET uses. You'll have to find some formula to convert from DLUs to pixels given the current font size.
DLUs are used so that the dialog will scale properly if the user has large fonts but the developer doesn't or vice versa. In .NET, there is a property on the form which does the proper scaling so pixels can be specified in the control source.
James
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Hi there,
I was wondering how to really unregister the Tcp Server Channel.
I create the Server channel like this:
hts = new TcpServerChannel(8000);
ChannelServices.RegisterChannel(hts);
RemotingConfiguration.RegisterWellKnownServiceType(typeof (BankDetailsClassLibrary), "RemoteClass", WellKnownObjectMode.Singleton);
then I try to disconnect the Sever channel using
ChannelServices.UnregisterChannel(hts);
But when I disconnect the server, the client still works. I can even write to the database. What could that be?
Thanks a lot
Chris
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Hi,
can i use ms tapi to make the computer dial a number , and then play a recorded message when the other end picks up the phone?
here is what i want to do;
the comupter dials a number.
wait till someone answers
play a recorded message
listen to the users keypresses (on the phone that is)
play other messages based on the users choices.
can someone tell me what i need to do this?
will a voice modem do this?
do i need ms tapi?
do i need any extra hardware?
//Roger
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TAPI will allow you to do 95% of this. (You'll need to use a Multimedia API such as winmm.lib to actually play the WAV).
A lot depends on the capabilities of your voice modem and it's TSPI support.
I wouldn't recommend using C# for this though, I'd stick with C++.
The Platform SDK Tapi samples will be of great use to you.
Michael
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Hello,
I would like to make a visual effect of selection on my own userControl, like the multi-selection behavior of ListView (i.e when I mouseDown and then move, there a rectangle dot frame displayed correspond to my mouse movement.)
Is there an easy way to Enable the selection effect?
actually, I'd like to allow multi-selection of objects on my own userControl, but I don't know should I draw it by myself?
Could any experts give me some ideas?
Please help me... Thank you!!!
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hi !
i have a server and a client communicating whith each other using the remoting tcpChannel.
now my problem:
if i kill the client while he is waiting for the return of the just called server-function,
my server crashes:
An unhandled exception of type 'System.NullReferenceException' occurred in system.dll
Additional information: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
somehow understandable. when the server wants to "return" .... whereto.
but how can I catch that exception?!
thank you!
andi
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I canretreive data from SQLServer as XML,now I want to know how can I do reverse mode.DataSet has a ReadXml() method so it can be filled with xml file but this DataSet is not bind to any DataAdpater to update DataBase,or something like that.So anybody has any idea about how to fill databse with xml file,create table , fill it and so on.I don't have SQLServer on my machine to do any test.
Mazy
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Is it possible to use UxTheme in order to make XP look for my application?
VikramS
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Sorry, it's not possible to do this.  If people want an XP look for Win2000, they have to use WindowBlinds.
The control library my team is making, Fluid UI Toolkit[^], will have fully skinnable controls.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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thank you for the Information.
VikramS
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Instead of ranting about how pissed I am at Carlos Perez, I'll just ask a legal question. Is he allowed to retract what was once public domain? From some broad searching on IP stuff it looks like the answer is no. Can anyone help clear this up? If anyone has a copy of his original license agreement, please post! Thanks in advance.
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Well, my quick thought as well, and mind me I am NOT a lawyer at all, is that he can do what ever he wants. License agreements and such are only as good as someone is willing to defend them. Do what you want and let the courts sort it out latter, if it ever comes to that.
My impression is that if Carlos ever tries to copyright them he will have problems because his work was in the public domain for so long.
It seems to me that he should have just left what he had in the PD and continued on with the ones he wanted to keep for selling. There was enough differences that it should not have been a problem. I am not sure about why he did what he did. It was his decision, so he has to live with that. I also don' think that he has a leg to stand on as far as people that downloaded the code BEFORE he changed the agreement.
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"At the end of the day it is what you produce that counts, not how many doctorates you have on the wall."
George Carlin wrote:
"Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things."
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
If the physicists find a universal theory describing the laws of universe, I'm sure the a**hole constant will be an integral part of that theory.
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He cannot restrict your use of his original code - that which he posted on CodeProject. But he can remove it from CodeProject so that no one else can download it, and that's what he did. But if you have a copy, you can use it.
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
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