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I make a concerted to avoid ALL HP products. At a previous employer they were one of our biggest customers and they were easily the worst I have ever had to deal with. They wouldn't even follow their own procedures whose documentation filled an entire shelf. That work was for their printer division and those devices are an accurate embodiment of their staff who build them.
ETA: I forgot to mention the application framework we were required to use. It was the worst I have ever seen, without equal. Even HP themselves shelved that POS. Here's the really stupid thing about : it was based on a state machine design and a thread changed states by throwing an exception. I better stop right there - thinking about this is making me nauseous.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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All HP Products? Not the same here. I have a EliteBook 8770w since about 10 years or more... And still I like that machine _very much_ 
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0x01AA wrote: All HP Products?
Yes, most definitely, ALL of them. Between the ordeal of working with them and then the stupid stuff they have done as a company I want nothing to do with them.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Quote: it was based on a state machine design and a thread changed states by throwing an exception
Thanks! This just made my day. 
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Apparently the design was some genius' masters thesis at UCSD. Had I been their professor that thesis would not have survived its defense.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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I have a Canon laser that's been going for quite some time, and SWMBO's HP inkjet got so old that she could no longer find a driver for it. Both good products. But if HP has adopted this execrable monthly fee business model, I doubt we'll ever buy another printer from them.
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charlieg wrote: it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing).
WHAT???
I am in need of a new printer, but I am not permanently connected to internet (on the machine that will have the printer). Is that a common thing today, that printers won't work without an internet connection?
So I will have to stay away from HP+ printers. Are there others that behave the same way?
(One essential use for the printer will be for high quality photo output, so I am looking into Epson printers. Are they 'safe', in this respect? I assume that web ads do not reveal such nasty details as this!)
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No it's not common to require the internet. This is HP's new business model. Once they purchased Samsung's printer line (I hate you Samsung for whoring out to HP), they really went hard into a protect the revenue, screw the customer.
My wife has an HP inkjet on the program. As soon as her free ink for 6 months expires, I'll buy her something else.
True story: she's gotten *very* good at sewing and has become a passion of hers. She subscribed to a pattern service where she can print out just about any pattern she wants. So, one Saturday, I'm working on the network (I had no idea the printer needed the internet). After about an hour, she's going ballistic because she wants to sew, but the $^&^## printer won't print her pattern. You would think that the touchscreen on the printer or the software on the laptop would say something like "Sorry, can't print without the internet" - but HP has gone Microsoft stupid. She spends another hour on line with HP Support trying to debug the problem. Finally, the support guy asks, "is your internet on?" My wife, who carries, loses it. "What the hell does that have to do with the printer not printing?" Her sewing area is in the back of the house, my office is in the front. I hear this screaming and think, "oh s***!" and quietly plug the internet and routers back in... 
The printer started working, and I had to run to the store suddenly... 
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I remember the good old days when HP was a proud company that made top tier test equipment.
Now their just dicks like everybody else.
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me too. It's all we used at Hughes Aircraft in Tucson (unless HP didn't make it).
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Yea, HP printers are very much in their network business. In your case, with no options. Grrr
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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I like Dell printer...
diligent hands rule....
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I bought a Brother laser printer last year and had no issues connecting it to my Wifi.
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Message Closed
modified 2-Jun-22 6:13am.
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Or ... do what I did and throw the whole inkjet technology idea in the bin and get a laser.
No more wasted ink, you turn it on, print, turn it off. For me, it has worked out loads cheaper - even considering the higher cost of toner over ink - than my inkjets, and way more convenient!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Back in May 2020 I bought a new HP Inkjet MFP. After 3 months (90 days on the dot to be exact) of installing cartridges (and 10 pages) it needed new ink!
And no, I cannot just replace one of the cartridges, but had to replace all of them.
And it was not a cheap machine, something like 199 EUR (would be around 199 USD in US, after taking account of VAT and conversion).
Bought A Dell a Laser MFP 6 years back, and it stopped even scanning if it didn't have any ink.
Bought a Brother Laser MFP for my parents last year, it needs a a suite for be able to print or scan. Doesn't matter if using cable or network.
I try to buy SMB and Laser printer, had to buy HP Inkjet because it was the only one available at the time due to the pandemic.
I think I am going to stay way from a printer for a while
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A couple of years ago I bought an HP inkjet printer and when I read the label suggesting to subscribe to their "Instant Ink" service I said NO THANKS!
But then I changed my mind and it turned out to be the cheapest possible solution, let me explain why: with Instant Ink you switch from a "pay per ink" model to a "pay per page" model.
If you print a full color A4 photograph it counts 1.
If you print an empty page with only a small black dot, it counts 1.
So the strategy is simple: use the HP printer for ink-dense printing work, and send simpler pages to another printer (in my case an old Samsung laser printer).
With my previous color printer a lot of ink was wasted in cleaning cycles. Now cleaning cycles are paid by HP, because you pay the pages, not the ink cartridges. This really made a difference!
I suggest to subscribe to the lowest fee plan (i.e. the plan with less pages per month), unless you really print a lot. If you exceed the monthly pages you will be charged for a "packet" of 10 additional pages (1 euro for 10 pages here in Europe), but if this happens infrequently it is still better than having a higher constant fee.
Of course all this works if you have a second printer available.
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The ones with an 'e' at the end require and internet connection. Without the 'e' cost about $50 more but works offline. I found this out the hard way.
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I have a probably 20 year old HP Officejet 470 that keeps on trucking. And yeah, what is with this BS of having to be connected to the Internet, auto-subscribe to replacement ink, can't even get the printer installed without an Internet connection, and I want a cable as I don't do wireless at home and many of my friends don't either - it's all CAT 5 here.
There's invasive, then there's mutant CRISPR gene splicing alien invasion invasive. That's what HP is now, and probably all the rest. 
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"There's invasive, then there's mutant CRISPR gene splicing alien invasion invasive."
I'm stealing that.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I've got 2 Brother printers and both are connected via WIFI. The one in my office (HL-3140CW) works with Windows 10 or with MX Linux. The other printer (MFC-L2710DW) is the wifey's so I never tried printing to it while in Linux. It was, however, auto-discovered when I installed Linux so I just assume I can print to it in Linux.
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Well ....... I have a 25-year-old HP LaserJet 6L that runs like a tank.
I also have an HP15C engineering calculator I still use almost daily - It's about 35 years old.
Back in the day HP designed and built to succeed - not fail!
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I have an HP laser printer at home. It is connected to a wireless router and has a fixed IP address. It does not require Internet access, though it works with my phone better with it. I highly recommend laser over ink for overall price as well as not clogging up and requiring buying a new printer because of not being able to unclog it at a reasonable price. I have enough trouble with Epson that I gave up on them. None are perfect.
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I just took two HP all-in-one printers to the electronics recycler yesterday. One worked reasonably well, but became unusable when HP stopped supporting its ink cartridges, which had a chip that badgered me for using past-the-pull-date cartridges. Actually the final set of brand-new-from-HP cartridges had this issue.
The second one was a wide-format all-in-one capable of printing 11x17. The printer mechanism failed in some way, and it wouldn't let me use the scanner or fax machine components because the printer hardware wouldn't initialize.
A new set of ink cartridges for either of these printers was over $100. What a rip-off.
HP printers have always been a bear to install and keep connected. I have a masters degree in computer science. I sometimes wondered what my mom would do if she bought an HP printer.
I have a Brother 1717 monochrome laser all-in-one now. It installed first try, has never given an instant of trouble, and all its parts work reliably. Plus it was cheaper than an HP inkjet all-in-one.
HP has worked diligently to lose my business. Good riddance to unusable rubbish.
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"HP printers have always been a bear to install and keep connected. I have a masters degree in computer science. I sometimes wondered what my mom would do if she bought an HP printer."
This . I have an EE degree and have been hard at work for 40 years. If it takes me more than 10 minutes (including unpacking) to get a printer working, that's a fail on the printer maker's part. Don't even get me started on the useless outsourced support to India (no offense intended to our Indian CP'rs). The first yahoo I got asked me how they could help. Now you know as soon as you tell them what the problem is they say something like "we are very sorry blah blah blah." Microsoft does the same useless platitudes as well. Anyway, I think they had a chat fail, because the first response was:
"Empathy prompt: we are so sorry you are experiencing this problem..."
Seriously, they have a button they push for this.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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