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I remember the good old days when HP was a proud company that made top tier test equipment.
Now their just dicks like everybody else.
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me too. It's all we used at Hughes Aircraft in Tucson (unless HP didn't make it).
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Yea, HP printers are very much in their network business. In your case, with no options. Grrr
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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I like Dell printer...
diligent hands rule....
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I bought a Brother laser printer last year and had no issues connecting it to my Wifi.
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Message Closed
modified 2-Jun-22 6:13am.
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Or ... do what I did and throw the whole inkjet technology idea in the bin and get a laser.
No more wasted ink, you turn it on, print, turn it off. For me, it has worked out loads cheaper - even considering the higher cost of toner over ink - than my inkjets, and way more convenient!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Back in May 2020 I bought a new HP Inkjet MFP. After 3 months (90 days on the dot to be exact) of installing cartridges (and 10 pages) it needed new ink!
And no, I cannot just replace one of the cartridges, but had to replace all of them.
And it was not a cheap machine, something like 199 EUR (would be around 199 USD in US, after taking account of VAT and conversion).
Bought A Dell a Laser MFP 6 years back, and it stopped even scanning if it didn't have any ink.
Bought a Brother Laser MFP for my parents last year, it needs a a suite for be able to print or scan. Doesn't matter if using cable or network.
I try to buy SMB and Laser printer, had to buy HP Inkjet because it was the only one available at the time due to the pandemic.
I think I am going to stay way from a printer for a while
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A couple of years ago I bought an HP inkjet printer and when I read the label suggesting to subscribe to their "Instant Ink" service I said NO THANKS!
But then I changed my mind and it turned out to be the cheapest possible solution, let me explain why: with Instant Ink you switch from a "pay per ink" model to a "pay per page" model.
If you print a full color A4 photograph it counts 1.
If you print an empty page with only a small black dot, it counts 1.
So the strategy is simple: use the HP printer for ink-dense printing work, and send simpler pages to another printer (in my case an old Samsung laser printer).
With my previous color printer a lot of ink was wasted in cleaning cycles. Now cleaning cycles are paid by HP, because you pay the pages, not the ink cartridges. This really made a difference!
I suggest to subscribe to the lowest fee plan (i.e. the plan with less pages per month), unless you really print a lot. If you exceed the monthly pages you will be charged for a "packet" of 10 additional pages (1 euro for 10 pages here in Europe), but if this happens infrequently it is still better than having a higher constant fee.
Of course all this works if you have a second printer available.
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The ones with an 'e' at the end require and internet connection. Without the 'e' cost about $50 more but works offline. I found this out the hard way.
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I have a probably 20 year old HP Officejet 470 that keeps on trucking. And yeah, what is with this BS of having to be connected to the Internet, auto-subscribe to replacement ink, can't even get the printer installed without an Internet connection, and I want a cable as I don't do wireless at home and many of my friends don't either - it's all CAT 5 here.
There's invasive, then there's mutant CRISPR gene splicing alien invasion invasive. That's what HP is now, and probably all the rest. 
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"There's invasive, then there's mutant CRISPR gene splicing alien invasion invasive."
I'm stealing that.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I've got 2 Brother printers and both are connected via WIFI. The one in my office (HL-3140CW) works with Windows 10 or with MX Linux. The other printer (MFC-L2710DW) is the wifey's so I never tried printing to it while in Linux. It was, however, auto-discovered when I installed Linux so I just assume I can print to it in Linux.
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Well ....... I have a 25-year-old HP LaserJet 6L that runs like a tank.
I also have an HP15C engineering calculator I still use almost daily - It's about 35 years old.
Back in the day HP designed and built to succeed - not fail!
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I have an HP laser printer at home. It is connected to a wireless router and has a fixed IP address. It does not require Internet access, though it works with my phone better with it. I highly recommend laser over ink for overall price as well as not clogging up and requiring buying a new printer because of not being able to unclog it at a reasonable price. I have enough trouble with Epson that I gave up on them. None are perfect.
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I just took two HP all-in-one printers to the electronics recycler yesterday. One worked reasonably well, but became unusable when HP stopped supporting its ink cartridges, which had a chip that badgered me for using past-the-pull-date cartridges. Actually the final set of brand-new-from-HP cartridges had this issue.
The second one was a wide-format all-in-one capable of printing 11x17. The printer mechanism failed in some way, and it wouldn't let me use the scanner or fax machine components because the printer hardware wouldn't initialize.
A new set of ink cartridges for either of these printers was over $100. What a rip-off.
HP printers have always been a bear to install and keep connected. I have a masters degree in computer science. I sometimes wondered what my mom would do if she bought an HP printer.
I have a Brother 1717 monochrome laser all-in-one now. It installed first try, has never given an instant of trouble, and all its parts work reliably. Plus it was cheaper than an HP inkjet all-in-one.
HP has worked diligently to lose my business. Good riddance to unusable rubbish.
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"HP printers have always been a bear to install and keep connected. I have a masters degree in computer science. I sometimes wondered what my mom would do if she bought an HP printer."
This  . I have an EE degree and have been hard at work for 40 years. If it takes me more than 10 minutes (including unpacking) to get a printer working, that's a fail on the printer maker's part. Don't even get me started on the useless outsourced support to India (no offense intended to our Indian CP'rs). The first yahoo I got asked me how they could help. Now you know as soon as you tell them what the problem is they say something like "we are very sorry blah blah blah." Microsoft does the same useless platitudes as well. Anyway, I think they had a chat fail, because the first response was:
"Empathy prompt: we are so sorry you are experiencing this problem..."
Seriously, they have a button they push for this.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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fwiw, I'm going to grab a used Samsung off eBay. I think I'll be happy. I went out to NewEgg to see if I could scrounge one there. I found one close to the old wireless basic laser I used to have. They want $800 for it.
I'm in the wrong business.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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A little SOTW half in the week 
Except, the S is now Statistics instead of Sound.
However, it has everything to do with the Sound OTW!
I've been doing the SOTW for I didn't know how long.
I've shared I didn't know how many songs.
You see, I never kept a list of what I actually posted.
Last night, I was bored and decided to write a little program that would crawl through the Lounge and extract every SOTW I ever posted.
The list is now complete, so here are some fun facts and statistics about the SOTW.
My first SOTW was a thread named "Ghost...", which I posted on 08-12-2015 after visiting a Ghost concert the weekend before: Ghost...[^] (currently page 11518 of the Lounge  )
Two days later, on 10-12-2015, I posted a second song in a thread I named SOTW[^]
I guess I had Christmas break after that because the next SOTW wouldn't come until 02-01-2016, a few weeks later, it then got it's name Song of the Week[^]
The Song of the Week would exist for about six months until I decided to name it Sound of the Week[^] instead, on 09-06-2016.
And that's how the SOTW as we now know it was born!
So far I've posted 278 SOTWs total of which 272 are unique sounds.
My most shared artist is VOLA, with a total of five songs.
I've shared Rondò Veneziano, Yoko Shimomura, Keiichi Okabe, and Nobuo Uematsu four times.
Neurotech, Nightwish, Oranssi Pazuzu and The Seatbelts were shared three times.
Other than that I've shared 15 artists twice and a whole lot of artists once.
I've only shared six songs more than once, all twice:
Chairlift - Bruises
Wojciech Kilar - Générique
Aram Khachaturian - Sabre Dance
Dyscarnate - Nothing Seems Right
Emeli Sandé - Read All About It, Pt. III
Rondò Veneziano - Zodiaco
These came as a total surprise to me, especially Emeli Sandé (great song though)
Only once have I shared two songs in one SOTW, Massive Attack and Textures, on 04-02-2016, the 8th SOTW: Song of the Week[^]
Someone once asked me: "Will you still listen to this 25 years from now?" and then made a remark that if the answer was "no" then why was I wasting my time now.
I still listen to some of the sounds I've shared, but probably not even half.
I've completely forgotten about some of them.
Hearing some of them now still brings a smile to my face
And hearing them then also brought a smile!
Unfortunately, this is all I have.
Nothing on genres, albums, replies, upvotes, etc.
Still pretty cool though, and I now have a list with awesome songs to (re-)explore
The regular SOTW will resume on Friday
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A good amount of Nobuo but you could do with more Nightwish. Everyone could do with more Nightwish.
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den2k88 wrote: A good amount of Nobuo
By far my most listened to artist on last.fm.
I've listened to it more than four times as many as my #2 artist (Yoko Shimomura, 11,637 vs. 2,825 "scrobbles").
All in all, I've listened to a whole lot of Final Fantasy music 
den2k88 wrote: you could do with more Nightwish
I don't see that happening anytime soon.
My Nightwish days are, mostly, behind me.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I don't see that happening anytime soon.
My Nightwish days are, mostly, behind me.
Mine too but only because a brand new band took their place (I like very little of post-Tarja). The band is Nocturna, if you're interested. They released their debut album mid January and I was their fan from the day they announced their formation: I happened to know both singers personally and they are amazing.
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Is their album named "Daughters of the Night"?
Would've loved this some 15 years ago, but it's not something I'd listen to again in 2022.
I think my SOTW's that come somewhat close (other than Nightwish) are Cellar Darling, Delain and Nemesea.
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Yes that's the album.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Will you still listen to this 25 years from now?
You could but the reaction could be very different. Taste changes, technology changes. We change.
I used to watch few things when I was young, say Duck Tales which I loved back then. Now, I can watch it for nostalgia value but I would prefer watching true crime documentaries over it.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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