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HP hem....  .
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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HP printers are an add-on for their ink.
(Have 2 Brother printers on my network: a 2700 and a 5700)
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I've owned 4 laser brothers since 1998 that survived years of continuous abuse.
Always laser multifunction... they always worked hard and fine.
A pity yours has not been able to connect to your wifi...
I had an HP years ago and it was much more delicate and lasted way less time. 
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Similar here with Brother. A Brother HL 3040-CN about 10 to 15 years old. I use it about max. 5 times per year and it still works perfect; at least for what I need. 
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Ours were really abused... the first one... started not being capable to move papers in and out...
We disassembled it and saw a pinion was worn out... we made a pinion ourselves of metal and it became louder, but worked a couple extra years.
That printer was the only printer for 15 people. And some of them were the reason of that famous e-mail signature "DO YOU NEED TO PRINT IT?". 
All the other Brother printers (ugly as hell like usual) worked very very well for years.
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The printer connected fine with my wireless network. HP could not finish the account connection process without me subscribing to their service. The funny part is that the error message was as useless as some of Microsoft's. One of the possible solutions was to check my system clock. I s*** you not. When was the last time a clock had any impact on a sign up process?
I can suffer having an account so they can monitor things, even to the point of suggesting I order more toner. What I cannot abide is having a monthly fee so that they can watch me. Their terms and conditions were pretty nasty too - to use the printer, I had to legally agree to use HP toner.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Since 1992, when I bought a HP LaserJet 4+, I had only HP printers... All died of old age (except the one my daughter fed with CD disk instead paper)... As today I have HP Smart Tank 615, that came with enough ink for 3 years out of the box... It seems that every manufacturer has good and bad products, according to the price range... Also seems that there are different facilities creating different quality... It is a lot of research and even more luck...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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I make a concerted to avoid ALL HP products. At a previous employer they were one of our biggest customers and they were easily the worst I have ever had to deal with. They wouldn't even follow their own procedures whose documentation filled an entire shelf. That work was for their printer division and those devices are an accurate embodiment of their staff who build them.
ETA: I forgot to mention the application framework we were required to use. It was the worst I have ever seen, without equal. Even HP themselves shelved that POS. Here's the really stupid thing about : it was based on a state machine design and a thread changed states by throwing an exception. I better stop right there - thinking about this is making me nauseous.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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All HP Products? Not the same here. I have a EliteBook 8770w since about 10 years or more... And still I like that machine _very much_ 
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0x01AA wrote: All HP Products?
Yes, most definitely, ALL of them. Between the ordeal of working with them and then the stupid stuff they have done as a company I want nothing to do with them.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Quote: it was based on a state machine design and a thread changed states by throwing an exception
Thanks! This just made my day. 
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Apparently the design was some genius' masters thesis at UCSD. Had I been their professor that thesis would not have survived its defense.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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I have a Canon laser that's been going for quite some time, and SWMBO's HP inkjet got so old that she could no longer find a driver for it. Both good products. But if HP has adopted this execrable monthly fee business model, I doubt we'll ever buy another printer from them.
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charlieg wrote: it is an HP+ printer that _requires_ you to maintain an internet connection (or it will stop printing).
WHAT???
I am in need of a new printer, but I am not permanently connected to internet (on the machine that will have the printer). Is that a common thing today, that printers won't work without an internet connection?
So I will have to stay away from HP+ printers. Are there others that behave the same way?
(One essential use for the printer will be for high quality photo output, so I am looking into Epson printers. Are they 'safe', in this respect? I assume that web ads do not reveal such nasty details as this!)
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No it's not common to require the internet. This is HP's new business model. Once they purchased Samsung's printer line (I hate you Samsung for whoring out to HP), they really went hard into a protect the revenue, screw the customer.
My wife has an HP inkjet on the program. As soon as her free ink for 6 months expires, I'll buy her something else.
True story: she's gotten *very* good at sewing and has become a passion of hers. She subscribed to a pattern service where she can print out just about any pattern she wants. So, one Saturday, I'm working on the network (I had no idea the printer needed the internet). After about an hour, she's going ballistic because she wants to sew, but the $^&^## printer won't print her pattern. You would think that the touchscreen on the printer or the software on the laptop would say something like "Sorry, can't print without the internet" - but HP has gone Microsoft stupid. She spends another hour on line with HP Support trying to debug the problem. Finally, the support guy asks, "is your internet on?" My wife, who carries, loses it. "What the hell does that have to do with the printer not printing?" Her sewing area is in the back of the house, my office is in the front. I hear this screaming and think, "oh s***!" and quietly plug the internet and routers back in... 
The printer started working, and I had to run to the store suddenly... 
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I remember the good old days when HP was a proud company that made top tier test equipment.
Now their just dicks like everybody else.
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me too. It's all we used at Hughes Aircraft in Tucson (unless HP didn't make it).
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Yea, HP printers are very much in their network business. In your case, with no options. Grrr
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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I like Dell printer...
diligent hands rule....
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I bought a Brother laser printer last year and had no issues connecting it to my Wifi.
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Message Closed
modified 2-Jun-22 6:13am.
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Or ... do what I did and throw the whole inkjet technology idea in the bin and get a laser.
No more wasted ink, you turn it on, print, turn it off. For me, it has worked out loads cheaper - even considering the higher cost of toner over ink - than my inkjets, and way more convenient!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Back in May 2020 I bought a new HP Inkjet MFP. After 3 months (90 days on the dot to be exact) of installing cartridges (and 10 pages) it needed new ink!
And no, I cannot just replace one of the cartridges, but had to replace all of them.
And it was not a cheap machine, something like 199 EUR (would be around 199 USD in US, after taking account of VAT and conversion).
Bought A Dell a Laser MFP 6 years back, and it stopped even scanning if it didn't have any ink.
Bought a Brother Laser MFP for my parents last year, it needs a a suite for be able to print or scan. Doesn't matter if using cable or network.
I try to buy SMB and Laser printer, had to buy HP Inkjet because it was the only one available at the time due to the pandemic.
I think I am going to stay way from a printer for a while
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A couple of years ago I bought an HP inkjet printer and when I read the label suggesting to subscribe to their "Instant Ink" service I said NO THANKS!
But then I changed my mind and it turned out to be the cheapest possible solution, let me explain why: with Instant Ink you switch from a "pay per ink" model to a "pay per page" model.
If you print a full color A4 photograph it counts 1.
If you print an empty page with only a small black dot, it counts 1.
So the strategy is simple: use the HP printer for ink-dense printing work, and send simpler pages to another printer (in my case an old Samsung laser printer).
With my previous color printer a lot of ink was wasted in cleaning cycles. Now cleaning cycles are paid by HP, because you pay the pages, not the ink cartridges. This really made a difference!
I suggest to subscribe to the lowest fee plan (i.e. the plan with less pages per month), unless you really print a lot. If you exceed the monthly pages you will be charged for a "packet" of 10 additional pages (1 euro for 10 pages here in Europe), but if this happens infrequently it is still better than having a higher constant fee.
Of course all this works if you have a second printer available.
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The ones with an 'e' at the end require and internet connection. Without the 'e' cost about $50 more but works offline. I found this out the hard way.
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