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The story of the scorpion and the frog is older than most Russian folk tales. It appears in the Talmud (Nedarim 41:1), which was written between 220 CE and 550 CE.
I'm fairly certain that even this is not the earliest version of the tale...
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Indeed, I am aware of that source, and Aesop's (whether it's original Aesop is doubted by scholars) similar (turtle, spider) story, and a medieval Sufi variant.
A commentary I've seen on the Nedarim story ... in which both scorpion and frog survive crossing the river ... is that the man the scorpion stung to death is a man who was about to commit murder, and, thus, the story demonstrates that YHWH may act in mysterious (to humans) ways.
In the Sufi story, both scorpion and frog survive, and, the scorpion stings a poisonous snake about to bite a man. Suggesting divine providence is mysterious ?
Somewhere I have notes on the sources for these, I may be off since I can't find them to refresh my recollection.
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BillWoodruff wrote: In the Sufi story, both scorpion and frog survive, and, the scorpion stings a poisonous snake about to bite a man. Suggesting divine providence is mysterious ?
If the snake bites the man, both scorpion and frog not affected. You could further complicate it by saying a girl kissed the frog.
Sufi.
I challenge your gods, wearing a copper suit, during a thunderstorm, on any mountain, shouting "all gods are bastards".
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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You know. I had forgotten. until today, how intellectual content triggers your anxieties, and you lose control.
I wish I could help you with this issue.
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BillWoodruff wrote: and you lose control.
It was easy to dismiss as incidents. Not just incidents here, but the supermarket made it, well, were we now. Last visit was miserable and saved by a girl working at check out. Sometimes she does the groceries as well.
Quote was from Terry Pratchett; still haven't read all the books.
BillWoodruff wrote: I wish I could help you with this issue.
Tx for the idea. Neurological, will not get better.
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So I've got this report, which is supposed to look something like:
Invoice | x | €100
Payment | a | € 50
Credit | b | € 40
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Due | € 10 The customer is currently seeing this, but also something else:
Payment | c | € 70
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Due | € 70
Credit | d | € 25
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Due | € 25 Now, I'd expect something like "this makes no sense, why do I see a payment or a credit without an invoice!?"
And I'd say "this is exactly the data I'm getting from your other system, so this is what I can show you. Garbage in, garbage out."
However, what they're saying is "I don't know what invoice that credit belongs to." (while not untrue this isn't really the issue  )
My answer remains the same though, garbage in garbage out.
So now their "fix" to their problem is to add an extra field "original invoice number", which of course I can only show if the data is correct, so in the first case when the invoice is already shown.
I told them this isn't going to work and the problem will remain.
However, they insist.
The new report will look like:
Invoice | x | | €100
Payment | a | | € 50
Credit | b | x | € 40
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Due | € 10
Payment | c | | € 70
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Due | € 70
Credit | d | | € 25
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Due | € 25 I can already hear them say my fix isn't working 
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when a payment is made via check or credit card, or a credit to the account, an invoice number is not required? very interesting. Do they just make payments/credits under a company or person name? if so, could you just start assigning the oldest invoices, in order, to these payments and credits?
we have a payment web-portal that lets certain users just make payments, and we assign the payment to the oldest invoices first, working our way to the newest. That way the user does not have to remember or choose an invoice number.
forgive me if that is what you already mentioned.
modified 24-Apr-21 11:28am.
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I can't (or won't) do anything, just show the data.
The payments are matched with invoices in another system that I have no knowledge of or access to.
I just get the data in seemingly random order and show it in a report.
Any issues with the data should be fixed in the other system by other people.
The data consists of some thousands customers, about twice as many invoices and maybe hundred details like payments and credit notes.
The number of details alone rang some alarm bells, but apparently this is what it is 
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Where does the payment of 70 come from, given the original statement? Second example also goes to 95, not 100.
Sander Rossel wrote: However, they insist.
On having a due of 25, instead of 10?
Who is going to be financially liable for any faults in the system when going to court?
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Where does the payment of 70 come from
I don't know, that's the point, it's just there floating in the void.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Second example also goes to 95, not 100.
I have no idea what you're saying.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: On having a due of 25, instead of 10?
Again, no idea what you're saying.
The invoice is €100 and it had a payment of €50 and a credit of €40 so the remaining amount is €10.
If you're referring to the payment and credit of €70 and €25 they're not part of the invoice, they're just there being separate entities without context, they make no sense.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Who is going to be financially liable for any faults in the system when going to court?
Not me, I'm just showing some data from a third party system.
Anyway, we're not going to court, we currently have a good relation and they want to discuss the next project with me 
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That doesn't sound like a cloud issue, more like a bad program or bad vendor issue.
My customer has an on-prem system which does pretty much the same, generate wrong reports that don't get fixed.
Basically, the reason I'm there is because other vendors don't do their job or do it poorly.
We're talking about big vendors that cost €150,000.00 a year on support contracts alone and an additional €130 an hour if they ever do any work for you (despite the support contract).
Meanwhile, my software is running fully in the cloud and they get exactly what they want.
I fix most issues within a few days (and often the same day).
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I won a Fleabay auction for £40 less than I was prepared to pay (second hand table saw); I've fixed my MS PC game controller so my GTA-V helicopter doesn't go right all the damn time (just dirt on one side of the analog stick jamming it from recentering but I had to take it apart to clean); one of my routers will be suitable for conversion to a table router; the sun is shining merrily; and I've got chicken marinating for supper tonight with a salad.
Nothing to do with computers at all, of course - but I'll take victories where I can get 'em!
Nice when a Saturday goes well ... 
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I suggest you enjoy it while it lasts! 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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How do routers have nothing to do with computers. And why would you want to put one on a tabletop???
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These make holes in wood, not downloads!
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Calm down. No need to get... edgy!
O-gee did I go too far?
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Can heartless home work defeat this game (5,5)
Can
heartless home work = dy ( diy )
defeat = crush
game = Candy Crush
I'm amazed nobody solved this
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I don't think any of us figured "home work" was "DIY" - I certainly didn't!
Well, you are up Monday!
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Do you think it was a fair clue ? I don't like it when there are no replies.
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I'm not convinced Candy Crush is a game, I suspect it's just something that happens between adverts like most mobile games seem to be - but other than that, yes: I'd say it was fair.
Just nobody got it ...
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I think it was fair, but not by your standards. The this was filler, the same as the that in this one[^]. So "defeat this game" led me to think that it probably referred to the CCC itself, and so the second word in the solution could be solve, with Can as the definition. But the solution isn't hard if one thinks of DIY for home work, which I never did.
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So home work was a fair clue for DIY ?
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This explains the error messages of 'No data found in the import file.' which I would have assumed was self-explanatory and not worthy of a support call. The truth is, when I asked about error messages, she had no idea, just that she clicked OK on something. 
