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In the 1980s I worked for a company that built robots and they used Gates & Ballmer's BASIC to run the thing. One guy had printed the whole thing out and it was a stack of fan-folded paper over a foot high. We were finding bugs fairly often, most of which were introduced by us. It was actually fairly handy to have an embedded BASIC interpreter available. Performance could have been better but you really can't/couldn't expect much out of an 8086+8087.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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just sit back relax and let the customer do all the bug testing... just be ready with the shovel when the sh*t hits the fan !
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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My personal reason (as an engineer) why I can't sell stuff is because I factually point out the advantages of my creation. I for the life of me can't wow people with buzzwords, flashy animations and whatever else is used to sell stuff.
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Maybe the parts of the application that work are the ones that solve their problems and the buggy parts are of little use to them.
Most software users have a limited set of work-related problems that they want the new program to solve. Once they start using it they will discover new "solutions" they never dreamed of.
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Nand32 wrote: I'm just imagining how brave & courageous Bill Gates & Ballmer should have been
I see what you did there. Leaving out Nadella speaks volumes about the current state of Windows, and its never-ending stream of problematic patches that keep making the whole thing worse and worse...
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I see Nadella as merely a follower to the two biggies, who ruled the planet during those times.
Nadella is more of a cloud guy, though he was part of early Windows-NT development team.
I guess Azure has been doing reasonably well.
So the courage to release stuff like Windows ME, The award goes to...The Gates & Ballmer. 
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Nadella's an engineer, but it's unfortunate he's all about Azure--but I can't blame him for that since it's doing extremely well.
Ballmer was purely a salesguy, and look at what MS's stocks had been going during his decade (hint: nowhere).
I just wish Nadella brought back to Windows the importance that Gates gave it. Nadella made it clear the platform is no longer important, and they'll go wherever their customers are (paraphrasing, but that's very much what he thinks). That's why we now have things like Office on Android.
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Strange, I'm kind of in the other boat.
Been working on this new functionality for a couple months now. It's pretty solid, certainly enough for testing to get on it.
But the product people keep making non-functional tweaks (wording, placement, etc).
I'm saying, let's get this through testing and release it to the customers, then do iterations on those minor things later, rather than "we have to wait until everything is just so ."
Because, of course, then some other person sticks there nose in, and we're making more tweaks, never getting to the actual release.
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Welcome to the world of Agile.
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Place before grass, short (7)
Bermuda grass (short grass)
Bermuda short(s)
Looks like I messed up again. 
Tomorrow's will be like my older ones, almost solved before being posted.
modified 19-May-20 11:09am.
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Well,
It's not even a valid CCC because the noun shorts is plural only. The plural form of shorts is also shorts. If you would have used the correct definition it would have been solved. Also... before is a container indicator.
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Yes, it's usually shorts, but I've also heard the singular to emphasize a single pair. But grass, short was meant as the definition, with short being more of a bonus.
What would you have considered to be the "correct definition"? I didn't realize that before had to be a container indicator. If you can point me to a site that describes these conventions, I'll read it.
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How many of you bounded their future applications to some cloud provider?
Are those applications are for the long therm or more for the middle-short term?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Not me
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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actually you've identified one of the major problems so many lazy and reckless developers (system architects and down) are REcreating.
Go back just a few years and before, apps were targeted at platforms, (be it server, client, even infra such as databases). slowly people have come around to platform independence.
supposedly the cloud was meant to further drive platform independence,
- and yeah, at the client level that's mostly true
Well guess what the lazy, reckless (and let's face it therein useless) dev teams are doing now are doing at the provider level.
well (not making this political but it clearly demonstrates the point)
just like the world let China not just dominate but virtually own healthcare manufacturing
idiot dev leads are lowering their nuts right into cloud providers specifities.
nothing wrong with choosing a provider, but develop agnostically.
- should become a test requirement
- "what platform do you target" should cease be a question.
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
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I think that not only it is platform dependent now again, it is vendor dependent in the worst way...
As with all (most) of the online services we use/buy today there is no guaranties to continuity or backward compatibility maintenance...
Your service terms (toward you clients) are totally dependent on 3rd parties that are unpredictable at the best...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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This is partly why I haven't leapt into the Cloud: I can see the advantages, but the disadvantages are too huge and numerous to outweigh that.
Maybe in ten years when the dust and hype has settled and we have a "truely agnostic" Cloud it'll be worth it, but at the moment it's a silly move for anything "company significant".
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Call it like it is: You feel too old to learn new stuff...
(I know the feeling  )
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Don't rush in!
Learn to be patient and wait.
... for retirement. (or even better: lucrative legacy app support.)
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
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I learned on mainframes (too)...
Used to take a bus (or walk about 40 min) to get to city center where in a ugly building there was a computer to actually compile-and-run my program I wrote offline (really offline)...
It was worst than it sounds (bugs actually killed you)...
Cloud remembers me that very same dependency - with very little added value...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I don't think so, it just feels like a retrograde step back to the centralized systems (and BOFH) had back before the PC - only without the security that had. All the major cloud suppliers have had (unrelated) data leak / theft problems with other systems, so how do we know that their cloud offerings are any better? And the cheaper ones (which accountants love) are likely to be cheaper for a reason - how secure are they? How solid are the backups? Even the expensive suppliers employ minimum wage workers as much as possible - what are they doing (or willing to do) to supplement their income?
It just looks like a high risk solution for anything important, that security is a total afterthought instead of bullet point one on the PowerPoint design strategy document ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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This!
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At some point you need a concrete implementation.
Yes abstractions are good, but at some point you need to actually connect to the repository or service or whatever the interface is for CRUD operations on the data.
At that point there will be a dependency, so while I agree with being as independent as possible at some point there will be a dependency whether it is via some sort of config file or API.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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