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Nand32 wrote: I'm just imagining how brave & courageous Bill Gates & Ballmer should have been
I see what you did there. Leaving out Nadella speaks volumes about the current state of Windows, and its never-ending stream of problematic patches that keep making the whole thing worse and worse...
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I see Nadella as merely a follower to the two biggies, who ruled the planet during those times.
Nadella is more of a cloud guy, though he was part of early Windows-NT development team.
I guess Azure has been doing reasonably well.
So the courage to release stuff like Windows ME, The award goes to...The Gates & Ballmer. 
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Nadella's an engineer, but it's unfortunate he's all about Azure--but I can't blame him for that since it's doing extremely well.
Ballmer was purely a salesguy, and look at what MS's stocks had been going during his decade (hint: nowhere).
I just wish Nadella brought back to Windows the importance that Gates gave it. Nadella made it clear the platform is no longer important, and they'll go wherever their customers are (paraphrasing, but that's very much what he thinks). That's why we now have things like Office on Android.
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Strange, I'm kind of in the other boat.
Been working on this new functionality for a couple months now. It's pretty solid, certainly enough for testing to get on it.
But the product people keep making non-functional tweaks (wording, placement, etc).
I'm saying, let's get this through testing and release it to the customers, then do iterations on those minor things later, rather than "we have to wait until everything is just so ."
Because, of course, then some other person sticks there nose in, and we're making more tweaks, never getting to the actual release.
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Welcome to the world of Agile.
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Place before grass, short (7)
Bermuda grass (short grass)
Bermuda short(s)
Looks like I messed up again. 
Tomorrow's will be like my older ones, almost solved before being posted.
modified 19-May-20 11:09am.
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Well,
It's not even a valid CCC because the noun shorts is plural only. The plural form of shorts is also shorts. If you would have used the correct definition it would have been solved. Also... before is a container indicator.
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Yes, it's usually shorts, but I've also heard the singular to emphasize a single pair. But grass, short was meant as the definition, with short being more of a bonus.
What would you have considered to be the "correct definition"? I didn't realize that before had to be a container indicator. If you can point me to a site that describes these conventions, I'll read it.
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How many of you bounded their future applications to some cloud provider?
Are those applications are for the long therm or more for the middle-short term?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Not me
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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actually you've identified one of the major problems so many lazy and reckless developers (system architects and down) are REcreating.
Go back just a few years and before, apps were targeted at platforms, (be it server, client, even infra such as databases). slowly people have come around to platform independence.
supposedly the cloud was meant to further drive platform independence,
- and yeah, at the client level that's mostly true
Well guess what the lazy, reckless (and let's face it therein useless) dev teams are doing now are doing at the provider level.
well (not making this political but it clearly demonstrates the point)
just like the world let China not just dominate but virtually own healthcare manufacturing
idiot dev leads are lowering their nuts right into cloud providers specifities.
nothing wrong with choosing a provider, but develop agnostically.
- should become a test requirement
- "what platform do you target" should cease be a question.
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
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I think that not only it is platform dependent now again, it is vendor dependent in the worst way...
As with all (most) of the online services we use/buy today there is no guaranties to continuity or backward compatibility maintenance...
Your service terms (toward you clients) are totally dependent on 3rd parties that are unpredictable at the best...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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This is partly why I haven't leapt into the Cloud: I can see the advantages, but the disadvantages are too huge and numerous to outweigh that.
Maybe in ten years when the dust and hype has settled and we have a "truely agnostic" Cloud it'll be worth it, but at the moment it's a silly move for anything "company significant".
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Call it like it is: You feel too old to learn new stuff...
(I know the feeling  )
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
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Don't rush in!
Learn to be patient and wait.
... for retirement. (or even better: lucrative legacy app support.)
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun
1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague.
2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil.
Synonyms: pest, plague, CCP
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I learned on mainframes (too)...
Used to take a bus (or walk about 40 min) to get to city center where in a ugly building there was a computer to actually compile-and-run my program I wrote offline (really offline)...
It was worst than it sounds (bugs actually killed you)...
Cloud remembers me that very same dependency - with very little added value...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I don't think so, it just feels like a retrograde step back to the centralized systems (and BOFH) had back before the PC - only without the security that had. All the major cloud suppliers have had (unrelated) data leak / theft problems with other systems, so how do we know that their cloud offerings are any better? And the cheaper ones (which accountants love) are likely to be cheaper for a reason - how secure are they? How solid are the backups? Even the expensive suppliers employ minimum wage workers as much as possible - what are they doing (or willing to do) to supplement their income?
It just looks like a high risk solution for anything important, that security is a total afterthought instead of bullet point one on the PowerPoint design strategy document ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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This!
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At some point you need a concrete implementation.
Yes abstractions are good, but at some point you need to actually connect to the repository or service or whatever the interface is for CRUD operations on the data.
At that point there will be a dependency, so while I agree with being as independent as possible at some point there will be a dependency whether it is via some sort of config file or API.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Exactly! 
Not sure what they were meaning.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Not sure what you are getting on about but if I am storing files in Azure storage, it has to be code that works ONLY with Azure storage.  
My logic for picking the files or flagging them as being stored can of course be separate.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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With due respect, why do you think Microsoft and Google are investing so much into the cloud?
You are always going to get business people who are focussed on the tactical, rather than the long term and strategic. . . and they don't care, since once they sold the product, they move to another business.
In other fields it would be called shonky workmanship.
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0.0, and I have not yet reached the lowest intention of ever doing so.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I have, for the long term, and with good reasons.
I don't get the platform dependence @lopatir is talking about.
I just develop an ASP.NET Core application that I can host on-premises or in the cloud and on Windows or Linux, so what's the deal?
Besides, how is a WinForms or ASP.NET application not platform dependent?
Works on all Windows platforms that support your version of .NET and your database needs at least Windows Server 2012, such freedom, much hosting 
However, I have one client that went from all paper to having an application.
They use the application in the field (like literally fields where they gather hay), so the application has to be available everywhere.
We have two choices, buy a server and install and secure SQL Server and IIS and a Domain Controller(!), something I don't know how to do.
The client is as a-technical as they get, so they can't do it either.
Or put it in the cloud and be done with it, that I can do and it very easy and it costs the client about €50 a month.
Maybe a server would've been cheaper over three years time, but it just isn't worth the hassle in this case.
Another customer has plenty of on-premises servers... That I don't have access to!
Every time I have to do anything I have to call their (external) IT department and plan a day and time.
So, I just put everything in the cloud.
The customer was initially happy because they're now one of the most modern companies in their field, although I think the IT manager isn't as happy anymore because he's a control freak and now that we're on Azure he can't be bothered to learn the cloud, so that's a bit of a black box for him.
They even ended up with two Azure environment because their external IT party created one too that I knew nothing about (while they knew about mine)
Kind of tells you how much the IT manager is on top of it...
Anyway, it also allowed me to use some cloud-only services, like Azure Functions and Logic Apps.
I'm not quite happy with my Functions because they somehow don't work as advertised (but still free), but the Logic Apps are just way easier than coding it yourself.
I've now created a little on-premises app because I really couldn't access their SMTP server in the cloud, but I'm waiting for credentials and someone to give me access.
Too bad, the Logic App would've been a MUCH faster alternative...
I've got another customer coming up who is going to the cloud as well.
Simply because for €50 a month you can't be arsed to setup an on-premises server.
Other than that the cloud offers other benefits, like scaling that you can't get on-premises.
Not for my clients, obviously, but something other companies have to deal with.
I don't have to think about updates, I get free TLS certificates that are automatically refreshed, integration with Azure DevOps and automated deployment is easy.
To me, the cloud is a no-brainer.
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