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jschell wrote: Whether your friend is a zealot or not has nothing to do with the general membership of the organization.
Probably. Like the Catholic church, it probably has a core who mean it, and a lot of people who just are vaguely interested.
jschell wrote: It doesn't matter how you phrase what you claim they are doing - I would still like to see something more than just your views on this specific issue.
Google broken where you live ?
jschell wrote: Which is irrelevant.
Really ? So the guiding ethos of the creators of the organisation is animal torture and lies, but that's irrelevant ?
jschell wrote: Marketing, which is basically all PETA does these days, doesn't equate to zealotry.
Marketing which mostly exploits women, yes. Which is another reason to object to them.
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Christian Graus wrote: it probably has a core who mean it, and a lot of people who just are vaguely interested.
Not sure what you mean. But restating what I have said...my impression is that the people who actually run PETA for the most part run it exactly like any other mainstream political organization which is to say the activities that they engage in are standard marketing activities.
Christian Graus wrote: Google broken where you live ?
So you don't.
Christian Graus wrote: So the guiding ethos of the creators of the organisation is animal torture and lies, but that's irrelevant ?
The current behavior of PETA is as I stated above.
Christian Graus wrote: Marketing which mostly exploits women, yes
Marketing is marketing. Same tactics for selling cars and politicians and everything else. Attempts to restrict marketing for 'ethical' reasons ends up doing nothing more than creating a niche company without any reach.
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jschell wrote: my impression is that the people who actually run PETA for the most part run it exactly like any other mainstream political organization which is to say the activities that they engage in are standard marketing activities.
So you're saying they do nothing for animals at all, they just market the idea of doing something ?
jschell wrote: So you don't.
Google is not broken where I live. I've read quite a bit, that's where the things I said, came from.
jschell wrote: The current behavior of PETA is as I stated above.
So a group that used to torture and kill animals 'for the greater good' now does nothing for animals at all, and just engages in marketing. That could be. But, I'm more inclined to suspect they do what they always did, but hide it better. Would you support the KKK if it just became a marketing group, who solely presented their views in the media ?
jschell wrote: Attempts to restrict marketing for 'ethical' reasons ends up doing nothing more than creating a niche company without any reach.
The difference here is that they get women who are NOT models, and get them naked on the news. The difference is that these girls may find that their actions bite them down the track, and they've not understood the implications, nor have they made money to act as a balance to the risks they are taking.
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Christian Graus wrote: So you're saying they do nothing for animals at all, they just market the idea of doing something ?
Yes that is my impression of what the organization currently does.
Christian Graus wrote: But, I'm more inclined to suspect they do what they always did, but hide it better
Presumably at area 51.
I am more "inclined" to suspect that they have distanced themselves from all of that and actively discourage it. Which is why other animal rights organizations exist. And why those are critical of PETA.
Christian Graus wrote: <layer>The difference here is that they get women who are NOT models, and get them naked on the news. The difference is that these girls may find that their actions bite them down the track, and they've not understood the implications, nor have they made money to act as a balance to the risks they are taking
You are over simplifying it.
For starters most protests of this nature are done in such a way that they only 'naked' in such a way that it is consistent with the local culture. They do not expose anything that would get them arrested. In the US that means they are not topless nor bottomless (legally.)
There might be non-sanctioned events that go further but for the most part the protests are very benign. The evidence for this is that, in the vast majority of cases, no arrests are made. Compare that to any other political actions that have street protests.
As for the "risks" I am not sure what you mean. Young people who engage in political activism risk all sorts of things. For that matter young people engage in a broad spectrum of risky behavior regardless. And PETA, versus other more radical endeavors are unlikely to harm them professionally.
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BillWoodruff wrote: but I applaud their good work in reducing the unnecessary cruelty to animals in medical, and cosmetic, research.
Keeping in mind of course that that is not all that they are attempting to stop.
Not even sure if that is what most of their money is spent on these days.
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Wearing lettuce might be a precaution against looking dumb; the last PETA protesters I saw were holding "Fur is Murder" signs while wearing leather items (such as boots and jackets).
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jesarg wrote: signs while wearing leather items
And how exactly did you determine that those items were in fact leather? Versus just looking like leather?
And for that matter how did you know that they were members of PETA?
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jschell wrote: how did you know that they were members of
Perhaps ... I want to emphasize that I don't know for sure ... they used the same technique [1] I use: which is to deduce that anyone I suspect doesn't agree with me, or whose appearance suggests they do not share my life-style, or values: is a member of some very bad, even sinister, organization, or is some kind of dangerous deviant ... towards whom I have no obligation to perceive them as a fellow human being, feel empathy for, or attempt to discern the details of their humanity, and understand their thoughts.
But, as I said, that's just a wild guess; such mentation may well reflect the writer's temperament in the context of aging, of spending more than 900 moons on Earth in this corporeal form 
[1] Even though I speak in jest, if one cares to study the research into human perception, and intuition, by such scholars as Daniel Kahnemann (Nobel Prize), and others, in books like "Heuristics and Biases: The Psychology of Intuitive Judgment," and "Thinking Fast and Slow," a strong case emerges for the flawed nature of basic human social perceptions.
“There are obvious things, and there are many obvious things no one tried, because no one needed to try them.” Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov, January 1, 2014
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Did any of the signs spell "murder," as "moider" ? If so, they might all have been from Brooklyn, or the Bronx, where "moider," used as noun, and verb, in slang (regional patois, if you wish), is used frequently.
Can we rule out the hypothesis they were all from that area, and all had allergies to fur ? Or, that they could have been hired to perform as agitators by an allergist who had lost their medical license for malpractice and was trying to undermine the lucrative practices of their former colleagues ?
“There are obvious things, and there are many obvious things no one tried, because no one needed to try them.” Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov, January 1, 2014
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I'm constantly after small, annoying tools to do things like breakdown a bitmask into components, or HTML Encode some text, or test some regular expressions.
We have a lot - a lot - of really smart guys and girls and I was wondering if any of you would be interested in posting tools as articles. The tools would allow inline javascript but would have to be self contained. The article itself would be short on talk and big on action, though a thorough explanation is certainly welcome to be shown under the main tool.
Peer review of an Online Tools section would be very, very tight, and we'd have to put in some automatic checks for things like accessing cookies or calling remote services, but on the whole it should be fairly straightforward.
Any takers?
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excellent idea! it'd be nice to be able to pick from a palette of small tools usable directly on the site.
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There should be an online tool for creating them...
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If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein
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So these would all work within the site, thus all being javascript ? That sounds awesome, I'd be up for that.
HTML encoding is already built in, isn't it ?
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whatdya paying?
bryce
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Respect and admiration.
Christian Graus
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are you out of your mind?
have you not seen the people on this site?
bryce
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I didn't say it was WORTH it....
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well for chris it is 
Bryce
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I am actually playing around with several jQuery plugins for small things, like automatically populating and refreshing dropdowns for country/province per example, but isn't that what tips/tricks are already here?
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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The difference here being these tools would work directly on the CP page for that article.
No need for somebody to host a demo on some other server and link to it from his/her article.
That's why Chris mentioned the peer review thing. These articles will have to be closely monitored
lest somebody try to misuse this feature.
Cheers!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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In that case some sample JSON datasets, provided by CodeProject will probably be very helpful, some "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer " of data
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Chris Maunder wrote: I was wondering if any of you would be interested in posting tools as articles.
Sounds like a great idea I'm all for it. 
What is allowed or not has to be carefully considered as to not reduce the available functionality to much.
What about having a mandatory section sitting on top of the article, that has to fully disclose what is stored where and all paths my data and/or personal information may take. That's just my first thought on it there may be others coming up with something better.
Regards,
— Manfred
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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