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My recommendation, check the subjects on all of them and choose the one that fits better what you want to do or learn.
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If you want to maintain servers and do tech support, go with IT/ICT. If you want to be a programmer, go with computer engineering. You can become a programmer with an IT degree or no degree at all, but since you are already in school, do yourself a favor and take the hardcore programming courses if programming is what you want to do. It may seem hard now, but it will make things easier for you in the long run.
Don't avoid a course because it's difficult. Those are usually the best courses, the ones that will really prepare you for success. Take the hard course, because when you get out into real-world programming, it will be harder than that and you will have less support while facing greater consequences for failure.
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I got into the IT business in 1976 by building a fence. Of course the term IT didn't exist at the time. (Or at least, it wasn't talked about.) CE wasn't a term at the time either, I had an ME degree when I was building that fence.
Anyway, always be willing to learn something, you'll do fine.
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For xmas I am expecting to receive a PS4 from Santa.
I have told Michelle she may need to buy it as early as possible in order to send it to the North Pole for Santa to deliver it for xmas.
Now, everywhere you look there are place wherein you can 'Pre Order' the PS4
As far as I am aware, when one is in the Pre Order stage, it is when one has not actually ordered yet.
I would like to know if there is somewhere available IRL or Online where I can actually just order one, rather than wait to order one via a pre order service.
I bet this 'Pre Order' shite is a merkin import designed to bastardize our language further with inane and stupefyingly crass neologisms.
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Pre-order is just a term for ordering something which hasn't been released yet, it's as good as placing an order, and when the item is available you get charged and it gets sent. You don't have to do anything extra upon release.
Problem is the fact that I'm pretty sure the all stores have allocated all their pre-order stock now. Some keep popping up from time to time on different sites (best to track sites like HotUKDeals), but disappears quickly. Last I read, anything preordered before August gets release day despatch, anything after that you might get it before xmas...
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.
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phannon86 wrote: Pre-order is just a term for ordering something which hasn't been released yet
So you are saying that just because it has not been released I cannot Order it?
Surely I can just Order it and get it once it has been released.
phannon86 wrote: it's as good as placing an order
So why not call it "Ordering"?
phannon86 wrote: when the item is available you get charged and it gets sent. You don't have to do anything extra upon release.
Much like when you Order something.
phannon86 wrote: Problem is the fact that I'm pretty sure the all stores have allocated all their pre-order stock now
How can they have stock of something that has not yet been delivered to them?
They have Orders that they have already allocated, but no stock.
I love my language and I hate the way it is abused by ignorant peasants and colonial upstarts.
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Dalek Dave wrote: How can they have stock of something that has not yet been delivered to them?
They have Orders that they have already allocated, but no stock.
It can take a container ship a good few weeks to arrive at Southampton etc - also it is not rare for the quantity received to be different to the quantity on the shipping note.
So until the container is unpacked they don't necessarily know how many they will get.
Many companies will allocate stock against what they believe is arriving in the next container.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Hear Here.
We can’t stop here, this is bat country - Hunter S Thompson RIP
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A benefit with preorders is: you can usually always revoke them. 
So you have a order pending. It's not an order yet. They may even cancel the order on their side if the product gets postponed or cancelled. And you don't get charged as long as they don't know when they can't deliver to product to you.
"Preorder" is maybe not a very telling word for describing what it really is. But the term got established over the past years and pretty much everyone knows now what is meant by it.
How would you call such an order? Just an order? How would you know that you won't get the product you ordered in the next few weeks or even months?
I think it's a good thing that they at least try to distinguish those two types.
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- You've ordered a sophisticated & expensive bit'o'electronics
- The order is for something you don't really need
- You have taken the facility to order the equipment before it is even released
- And you are complaining about the status "pre-ordered" post-ordering.
Three letters: FWP. 
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I agree with you, but it does p* me off this whole 'pre-order' malacky. What about when I ordered my Super Yacht? It hadn't even be designed, let alone built but it's still a bloody order!
speramus in juniperus
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: What about when I ordered my Super Yacht? It hadn't even be designed, let alone built but it's still a bloody order!
Did you order it from someone who was going to design and build it? If so then you placed an order with them to produce it for you.
If you ordered it from a retailer who is simply going to deliver it to you when they get some then you placed a pre-order for it.
Nagy Vilmos wrote: malacky
I'm not sure the good people of the Slovak town of Malacky will be happy with you using their name like that.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
modified 4-Nov-13 7:31am.
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ChrisElston wrote: I'm not sure the good people of the Slovak town of Malacky
Or any of those greeks who seem to be called malaka.
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Malarkey surely?
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pre-order is simply a term that was required to differentiate between ordering something that a company has and ordering something that a company doesn't have yet.
It was created to make things clearer for consumers.
This industry we are in has long been reusing, re-appropriating, and bastardising words, and creating conditions in other industries whereby it is sensible to do the same.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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I think the term pre-order is probably just an abbreviation of pre-release-order, and the ones creating it were lazy on typing. 
The good thing about pessimism is, that you are always either right or pleasently surprised.
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According to Amazon, the release date is 29th November. There is also a note about when you ordered i.e. pre or post August 6th. Amazon UK[^]
If you look at the equivalent page on Amazon Germany, pre-orders after 30th September will be delivered after Christmas, but before end of January, there are also some other time slots mentioned. Amazon DE[^]
Game also has similar message: Game[^]
John Lewis is not taking pre-order but will be available to buy from 12am on release date. So, either a) order as soon as released, b)be there for store opening at your nearest JL store. John Lewis[^]
Sounds like demand is high then!
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It is called "pre-order" because the order is not done yet, and there is a non-zero probability that it never will.
When you order, the contracting is done, (meaning you have to pay whatever happens and they have to ship whatever happens). There is also a maximum legal time for them to ship you the ordered thing, and you have a legal protection delay to cancel the purchase.
When you pre-order, no contracting is done. They merely tell you that they will place an order as soon as the goods is available, which may also never happen, or at least not in the time range you would expect it. You can also cancel your pre-order without being charged.
Different things, different names.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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It's been in the OED since 1989.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Dalek Dave wrote: I bet this 'Pre Order' shite is a merkin import designed...
More because when you order it there is no surety that they will ever be able to deliver it. Or deliver it in a reasonable amount of time. The company creating the product might fail to deliver on time or might not be able to meet production demand.
I have recently had a product on pre-order for 6 months that was finally canceled by the shipping company because they determine they had no expectation of ever receiving it (realistically as it turned out since several years later it has still not been released.)
Another product in the past was delayed by 18 months which is when I cancelled it and it was finally delivered something like 2 years after that.
Following is an extreme example of that.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/05/31/ancient-duke-nukem-forever-pre-orders-still-valid[^]
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After two bally weeks, the ickles are back were they belong doing their three R's - readin', writin', ruckin'.
I have a huge [for me] backlog of work to do, I also [allegedly] have a phone call later for what may be a very profitable little project. The little project could also become a large multi-year profit project; just what the Vilmos needs.
speramus in juniperus
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Good luck!
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: ...readin',re-writin', ruckin'...
FTFY
Nagy Vilmos wrote: The little project could also become a large multi-year profit project; just what the Vilmos needs.
So the Vilmos needs a big ass multi-year project with very little/no profit? 
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Phase 0 - Prototype for proof of concept [nice little earner there Terry]
Phase 1 - Production quality framework [bish-bash-bosh, LOADSA dosh!]
Phase 2..n - Functional deliverables [I think I'll buy Monaco]
0 looks good to go, 1 if that goes well and then it's a case of how much more gets taken on.
speramus in juniperus
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Good thing the ickles are too young for that last one to start with an F.
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