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I agree with you, but it does p* me off this whole 'pre-order' malacky. What about when I ordered my Super Yacht? It hadn't even be designed, let alone built but it's still a bloody order!
speramus in juniperus
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: What about when I ordered my Super Yacht? It hadn't even be designed, let alone built but it's still a bloody order!
Did you order it from someone who was going to design and build it? If so then you placed an order with them to produce it for you.
If you ordered it from a retailer who is simply going to deliver it to you when they get some then you placed a pre-order for it.
Nagy Vilmos wrote: malacky
I'm not sure the good people of the Slovak town of Malacky will be happy with you using their name like that.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
modified 4-Nov-13 7:31am.
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ChrisElston wrote: I'm not sure the good people of the Slovak town of Malacky
Or any of those greeks who seem to be called malaka.
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Malarkey surely?
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pre-order is simply a term that was required to differentiate between ordering something that a company has and ordering something that a company doesn't have yet.
It was created to make things clearer for consumers.
This industry we are in has long been reusing, re-appropriating, and bastardising words, and creating conditions in other industries whereby it is sensible to do the same.
“I believe that there is an equality to all humanity. We all suck.” Bill Hicks
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I think the term pre-order is probably just an abbreviation of pre-release-order, and the ones creating it were lazy on typing. 
The good thing about pessimism is, that you are always either right or pleasently surprised.
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According to Amazon, the release date is 29th November. There is also a note about when you ordered i.e. pre or post August 6th. Amazon UK[^]
If you look at the equivalent page on Amazon Germany, pre-orders after 30th September will be delivered after Christmas, but before end of January, there are also some other time slots mentioned. Amazon DE[^]
Game also has similar message: Game[^]
John Lewis is not taking pre-order but will be available to buy from 12am on release date. So, either a) order as soon as released, b)be there for store opening at your nearest JL store. John Lewis[^]
Sounds like demand is high then!
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It is called "pre-order" because the order is not done yet, and there is a non-zero probability that it never will.
When you order, the contracting is done, (meaning you have to pay whatever happens and they have to ship whatever happens). There is also a maximum legal time for them to ship you the ordered thing, and you have a legal protection delay to cancel the purchase.
When you pre-order, no contracting is done. They merely tell you that they will place an order as soon as the goods is available, which may also never happen, or at least not in the time range you would expect it. You can also cancel your pre-order without being charged.
Different things, different names.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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It's been in the OED since 1989.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Dalek Dave wrote: I bet this 'Pre Order' shite is a merkin import designed...
More because when you order it there is no surety that they will ever be able to deliver it. Or deliver it in a reasonable amount of time. The company creating the product might fail to deliver on time or might not be able to meet production demand.
I have recently had a product on pre-order for 6 months that was finally canceled by the shipping company because they determine they had no expectation of ever receiving it (realistically as it turned out since several years later it has still not been released.)
Another product in the past was delayed by 18 months which is when I cancelled it and it was finally delivered something like 2 years after that.
Following is an extreme example of that.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2011/05/31/ancient-duke-nukem-forever-pre-orders-still-valid[^]
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After two bally weeks, the ickles are back were they belong doing their three R's - readin', writin', ruckin'.
I have a huge [for me] backlog of work to do, I also [allegedly] have a phone call later for what may be a very profitable little project. The little project could also become a large multi-year profit project; just what the Vilmos needs.
speramus in juniperus
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Good luck!
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: ...readin',re-writin', ruckin'...
FTFY
Nagy Vilmos wrote: The little project could also become a large multi-year profit project; just what the Vilmos needs.
So the Vilmos needs a big ass multi-year project with very little/no profit? 
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Phase 0 - Prototype for proof of concept [nice little earner there Terry]
Phase 1 - Production quality framework [bish-bash-bosh, LOADSA dosh!]
Phase 2..n - Functional deliverables [I think I'll buy Monaco]
0 looks good to go, 1 if that goes well and then it's a case of how much more gets taken on.
speramus in juniperus
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Good thing the ickles are too young for that last one to start with an F.
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I thought ruckin' was a typo  
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Far[^] from it. If you can't ruck, you can't win.
speramus in juniperus
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: If you can't ruck, you can't win.
That's why I love Ice Hockey: Lead wolves, tackling each other down to the Ice, it is.
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"What is the difference between variables declared with [] after the type and ones that do not have [] after the type? like int[] and int?"
my answer:
"You seriously don't know the difference between arrays and normal variables?"
his counter:
"Oh, that's an array? i thought arrays were declared with <>, like list<int>"
sad truth is, when we first met, he had more programming background than me.
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
"Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241
"'Sophisticated platform' typically means 'I have no idea how it works.'"
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That is what happens when you start working. Work is bad for you, it messes with your head
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
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Work is the curse of the drinking classes!
speramus in juniperus
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Sentenryu wrote: I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english
Your English is better than most people's Portuguese.
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I left that on my signature to explain for general mess ups, but for some reason since the site changed layout a while back, the signature apears as part of the message for me
I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english. (if you want we can speak in C# or VB.Net =p)
"Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241
"'Sophisticated platform' typically means 'I have no idea how it works.'"
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You could edit your signature a little and perhaps put an <h> at the top.
Also, if I may suggest (as an Englishman with a better than average grasp of the language), you should change: Quote: I'm brazilian and english (well, human languages in general) aren't my best skill, so, sorry by my english...
to:
I'm Brazilian; English and other human languages in general aren't my best skills so I apologise for my less than perfect English...
However, your English seems pretty fair to me - at least you are perfectly understandable.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I humbly accept your suggestions.
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I'm Brazilian; English and other human languages in general aren't my best skills so I apologise for my less than perfect English...
"Given the chance I'd rather work smart than work hard." - PHS241
"'Sophisticated platform' typically means 'I have no idea how it works.'"
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