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OK - I was looking for a high end machine and locally, it added about 50%, last time I looked.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
"also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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A desktop machine? Yeah I think that might still be the case, the PowerMac's are pricey. Granted, they are *really* nice machines from a hardware perspective. I have a G4 tower and it's a joy to deal with in terms of access to the hardware - it's much easier to get at all the various components and switch stuff out.
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Two conditions:
1/ The price is the same or less than an equivalently equipped PC
2/ I can code, debug, test, and package a windows app on the mac and it runs on the PC with no issues or problems.
Based on past history, and iJobs cash fixation neither 1 nor 2 will ever realistically happen.
Nothing is impossible, we just don't know the way of it yet.
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Isn't 2 a crazy proposition - NO OS out there lets you do that natively, without resorting to using a VM. Are you aware you can dual boot the Intel based Macs? As well as run Windows from within a VM on OSX?
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Jim Crafton wrote: Isn't 2 a crazy proposition - NO OS out there lets you do that natively, without resorting to using a VM.
My point exactly - I have no desire to spend time I don't have using a mac to write and test applications that will be targeted to the Windows environment (majority of the users).
Jim Crafton wrote: Are you aware you can dual boot the Intel based Macs?
As well as run Windows from within a VM on OSX?
Yes and Yes - so what? Why pay extra for a machine that I have to go through hoops for when for half the price I do it natively?
Jim, It all comes down to what process and tools you feel comfortable about. Lets agree that we differ in our opinion based on past experiences.
Nothing is impossible, we just don't know the way of it yet.
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... I'm still crying for my old machine running... (applause) NT4 SP6.
Oh boy, how that computers works. You didn't had time to grab the coffee and light a cigarette and the logon screen was already there...
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Same here. Me and a bunch of people I know believe NT4 was the best thing Microsoft ever came up with. Too bad they killed it by not including USB support in any of service packs, forcing us to (needlessly) upgrade to w2k or xp.
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Vladimir Svrkota,
CardWare
Novi Sad, Serbia.
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USB as USB... but remember NT4 installation at the end?
"Securing file system..." and Administrator ONLY could access the machine and only then grant rights to other.
And how the build was running... better I stop here or I'll throw the actual machine. 
Remember Win2K setup? System drive, security -- Everyone: FULL CONTROL.
XP was even better - first setup your user name (of course, Computer Administrator), connect network etc. Only then "Create a password."
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Window 2000, was the best after that it all went downhill.
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I buy a Mac desktop and put XP or Vista on it, but my future upgrade options are so limited.
With a "standard" PC I can upgrade almost every component.
I guess this isn't as much of an issue for laptop users tho - maybe I'd use a macBook...
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My same reasoning for saying MAYBE - the upgrade options are much more limited.
For example, if I want to go to the new Intel core, I am planning to keep most of the peripherals the same, figuring to change motherboard, CPU and RAM, maybe power supply. I am not sure with the MAC, sometimes they come out with an entirely new form factor, and you have to scrap a lot of equipment.
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Yup - if the mac platform was twice as fast, or 50% as fast, or 25% as fast then fine.
But it's all so pseudo-proprietary.
I say pseudo because Apple mac magnificent claims to industry adherence but, when it comes down to it, it is just so much harder. The chassis (nice that they are) don't offer the space of an ATX chassis, nor the number of PCI/AGP slots.
The mouse, we'll skip by.
It's just, ummm, more difficult with a mac chassis. So, unless you want to run MacOs 10.x, why bother?
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Just kidding about the dirty hippy part.
Seriously though, I don't think I'd run a Mac simply because of their pompous and self-important advertisements. Plus they make fun of geeks, and I'm insulted by that. 
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what are you saying you're a geek?;)
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Its amazing how much of Steve Jobs narcissism bleeds through to his entire product line and marketing strategy. 
If Apple didn't screw with their performance marks so much to make them seem so much better than everything else (i.e. show some honesty), I might actually be interested. 
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By who's standards? For example, my hand starts developing wierd cramps using one of Apple's round mice because it's so non-ergonomic. And I'm constantly having to look at the stupid thing to figure out if it's oriented correctly. Why would anyone make a round mouse, where you can't tell how it's oriented when you hold it?
Marc
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They have improved it. The hockey puck was laughed at even by Mac users.
regards,
Paul Watson
Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote: Watson's law:
As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Why don't you get a different mouse? Why would anyone continue to use a mouse that hurt they're hand...or a mouse that they couldn't figure out how to use?
★ Shane Shepherd
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Shane Shepherd wrote: Why don't you get a different mouse?
Because I don't use a Mac, and that was my experience when I had to use a Mac at my son's school for a couple hours.
Marc
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Interesting that you condemn an entire line of computers based on your 2 hour experience with 10 year old technology (the hockey-puck mouse was introduced in 1998).
★ Shane Shepherd
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Shane Shepherd wrote: Interesting that you condemn an entire line of computers based on your 2 hour experience with 10 year old technology
Hey, you gotta go with what you're good at.
Marc
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LoL...ok, I'll buy that.
★ Shane Shepherd
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Right, certainly not better for me. That assertion should be stricken from the question.
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...but the entire .NET framework, in addition to the superb IDE that is Visual Studio, make it tough to switch. No matter how good the interfaces of other computers are, the development tools in .NET are top notch.
Not to mention, the XNA framework really has my interest.
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BrandonWaskiewicz wrote: but the entire .NET framework, in addition to the superb IDE that is Visual Studio, make it tough to switch.
Parallels or Fusion on an Intel Mac enable use of Windows applications on the OS X desktop using virtualisation. Get the benefits of the OS X interface AND MS development tools...
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