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I really want to change the job, but can't find the appropriate one.
Kinda stuck with my current job. 
Cheers
KR
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Some projects I would do for less, but there are always bills to pay. Other projects; I'm definitely not paid enough.
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Late film critic Robert Ebert was once asked, by a child, if he thought he was paid enough for what he did. He answered "I do, but my agent doesn't, which is why you should always have an agent!"
Truth,
James
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 Roger Ebert was a smart man (which may or may not be attributed to going to my Alma Mater  ).
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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If I compare myself against the other developers I've worked with, in terms of skills, ability and pay, I'm very underpaid.
If I compare myself against the management and business types that tell me what to do in terms of contribution to the success of the project/company and pay, I'm severely underpaid.
Seeing how much so many very useless people make compared to my pay is just depressing really.
But like others, I keep it in perspective - I make enough to live a comfortable life and take care of my family.
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I have my own software business and with 35+ years experience if I added up all the time I spent doing my job and divided it into the earnings would probably be somewhere near minimum wage lol - but I wouldn't swap it to be an employee again - ever
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I checked not paid enough only because I know there are other places that pay more. However, I still joke at times that people will pay me to do something that is so much fun.
I try to explain it to like getting paid to play video games or something like that.
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Pay is only one aspect of a job. It's the price that the management places on the work that needs to be done. But are "you" being paid what you are actually worth? Everyone does a job differently. It's not one size fits all. Some are bored and just get by. Some are pushing the envelope and adding value despite not being asked to do so. Some are pushed into a doing things that they know are bad designs but that's what the boss wants...
I'd be more interested in how many developers find satisfaction in their jobs. At the end of the day, do you feel good about the work you've done and feel you are being compensated for it at the right level? Or are many developers out there chained to old applications and having to maintain ancient systems with little chance to grow and experience new technologies? Pay is one thing. Growth is quite another.
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Need some context to answer the question truthfully.
Are you paid enough within the context of society? Very few of us could honestly answer 'No' to that. Most people, I imagine, are grinding out business applications which don't improve humankind.
Are you paid enough within the context of other options? I really can't see how people in this field spend the money they make. From that perspective, I'm terribly overpaid. However, I have a simple lifestyle and don't have a lot of needs. For those who have a problem in that area, I'd suggest looking at your spending, not your income.
Are you paid enough within the context of your company? In other words, do you receive compensation in line with the value you provide to your company, both relative to other IT-types and relative to sales, management, etc-types?
Are you paid enough within the context of IT? In other words, do you receive compensation at a level commensurate with your ability/experience/productivity within the area you work, across companies/geographic areas?
Ultimately, keep in mind that pay in only one aspect of a compensation package, and compensation is only one aspect of a work environment. You have to know what's important to you, and that will likely vary over time. After a while, money goes way down the list of importance, and it's more about liking the work itself, the people with whom you work, etc.
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I completely agree.
Especially the part about not having money being more about your spending!
There is one other part of getting paid. Sports Figures get "rent" more than salary. They get paid because their name alone adds value. There is still an aspect of that in the work we do. We don't have failed projects BECAUSE of how we approach them. There is a TON of value in that. We do NOT get compensated enough when you include that. (We are currently doing a replacement project for one that Overran their budget by 80% and FAILED to work with an additional 6 months of trying to save it. For the record, we are finishing it this month, 1 month ahead of our schedule, and 3 months faster than the original vendors initial quote. And the users really like it!)
I would say we don't make what we could. But we are not greed driven either. Good work, Good Relationships, and a long-term view of the relationship with clients.
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Salary can be dependent to location. For what I make now in San Francisco I'd be living in a cardboard box and earning less take home pay than panhandling in the Tenderloin. But doing the same job in the U.S. Midwest with cost of living a fraction of California I do quite well, no complaints.
The job wasn't as advertised but that's not unusual in the programming business. I'd be happier if it was closer to the promises but it's good enough as is. I'm not paid because I can write C# code but because I have a history of delivering commercial products (or so the manager tells me).
Being an expert in some esoteric programming skill may justify exorbitant salaries, for a while, but things change and it's tough to justify paying one expert whose skills are no longer needed 50% more than the rest of the programmers. For those complaining about not being paid enough, just remember there's plenty of competition and what you think is a valuable skill isn't proving out when tested in market conditions.
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As I don't actually have a job! I had one, but got laid off.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Hi,
this is reality of real world worker's are treat as worker not colleague people think is i am always right but in other hand same thinking same person and collapse of believe. we are suffering many of problem but no one care about it
organization should think about it who is in-front of mirror?
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I have to assume that English is not your first language.
The first limit in how high you can rise, is simply the limit for your to communicate clearly ABOVE the people you are working with. (ie, you have little room for promotion if your bosses can't stand to listen to you!)
I will say you are paid what you agreed to work for. Raise your standards. But keep in mind that the highest paid people are also UNEMPLOYED most often. As my salary doubled and tripled, I found I had weeks without work each year. I look forward to them now...
An organization should only pay what they feel is beneficial to them. We pay our people only slightly better than average. BUT we offer decent bonuses (for getting stuff done), and we, in general, do not ask people to work over time. (But we expect a FULL DAYS programming every day),
and our programmers are kept out of all meetings they do not request!
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Sir
Yes, English is not my first language that's why i suffering as communication and sir i am growing my learning and coding ability. now a days my standard not brilliant but much better as required for a company but my present work place is not good and also my boss mind set is very low he think pay low and work more. he also demotivate me and my team. i am really frustrated.
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Years ago, I was frustrated, and then I discovered the formula for frustration!
Frustration = (Reality - Expectations) * EGO; -- Negative is BAD (Frustrated)
It says 2 things.
First, you are NEVER frustrated when REALITY when Reality is BETTER than you Expect.
Second, when you are frustrated, your EGO makes it worse!
There are 2 simple solutions:
1) Drop your expectations that things should be different than they are!
2) Reduce your EGO (which is your THINKING that you should be able to CONTROL reality)
Once I discovered this formula, I realized the key.
Only I can make me feel frustrated!!!
If your manager does not see you as smart. Then do NOT expect him to.
Do not TRY to get him to see you as smart. Just work on YOU. Make yourself better FOR YOU,
not for him/her.
The other phrase I love is: "Change your environment"
In English this can have 2 meanings:
1) Fix the things around you that you need to fix
2) GET A NEW Environment (like changing your job)
I love it, because if you can't do one, you MUST do the other!
You have some thinking to do. About what you want, and how to get there.
Finally, the universe is a MIRROR. It reflects back to us what we already believe.
Change your beliefs, and you will change your Universe!
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Thanks sir for your nice suggestion. i set those things and hopefully i and my team can to set for better. thanks for give your valuable time.
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It seems to me, that being payed currency would be beside the point to being employed by an IT Business. What I mean to say is, just being able to read the manuals would be pay enough.
Wouldn't it?
:whistling dixie:
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Wow,
If you can actually sell this to talented IT people, I would like to hire you to build my team!
Unfortunately, the first rule of business "you get what you pay for!" keeps coming to mind 
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Sell what? Isn't the job seeker walking onto a jobsite with his resume in hand handing it to an employee for consideration by a business boss as risky a proposition to the job seeker as it is to the prospective employer?
And I'm unfamiliar with the lyric "you get what you pay for!" bite. Perhaps a Kelly Clarkson tune?
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Your Original Comment implied that getting paid in currency was a pure bonus above just getting in there to read the manuals. Unless I read it wrong.
So I meant if you could sell the concept of Free IT workers, I am buying
As for the phrase "You get what you pay for". If you have not heard that phrase used before I am shocked, but I will explain it briefly.
A Guy walks in and offers to be a lead developer in the US. He has 10 years of programming experience, and he is willing to work for $12.00/hr (50% above minimum wage these days).
Do you think you are getting someone who is WORTH the $30-$50/hr going rate. Or one of the expensive guys who charge $75-$150/hr WORTH of programming and decision making?
I watched this happen. I watched him get hired. I watched the project crash and burn 8 months later, and the whole thing got scrapped. They got what they paid for. [Side Note: I warned the company. Only 1 of the 2 facts about the programmer should be true. He EITHER has 10 years of experience, OR he is willing to work for $12.00/hr... Not both!]
As to the risk of the relationship. More risk on the side of the employer. The employee pretty-well protected. Very easy to sue and win to get paid.
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Suit? You mean law suit?
Not getting hired, job seeker hits the pavement and is seen working on his ground game to this day.
Prospective employer hangs on to all the vital statistics he just "managed" to acquire by deceit/non-deceit and laughs in secure lock-down , well pay continues, twenty-stories-over-the-cement viewport cleaned. Was that Geronimo singing "NEXT"?
Oh, "suit"? Yeah. Bad idea showing up for that one with my beaver down.
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So I won't.
I'm expecting a little raise soon though
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I am over 65 and work for a .org... 'nuff said!
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Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now.
© 2009, Rex Hammock
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