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I have to assume that English is not your first language.
The first limit in how high you can rise, is simply the limit for your to communicate clearly ABOVE the people you are working with. (ie, you have little room for promotion if your bosses can't stand to listen to you!)
I will say you are paid what you agreed to work for. Raise your standards. But keep in mind that the highest paid people are also UNEMPLOYED most often. As my salary doubled and tripled, I found I had weeks without work each year. I look forward to them now...
An organization should only pay what they feel is beneficial to them. We pay our people only slightly better than average. BUT we offer decent bonuses (for getting stuff done), and we, in general, do not ask people to work over time. (But we expect a FULL DAYS programming every day),
and our programmers are kept out of all meetings they do not request!
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Sir
Yes, English is not my first language that's why i suffering as communication and sir i am growing my learning and coding ability. now a days my standard not brilliant but much better as required for a company but my present work place is not good and also my boss mind set is very low he think pay low and work more. he also demotivate me and my team. i am really frustrated.
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Years ago, I was frustrated, and then I discovered the formula for frustration!
Frustration = (Reality - Expectations) * EGO; -- Negative is BAD (Frustrated)
It says 2 things.
First, you are NEVER frustrated when REALITY when Reality is BETTER than you Expect.
Second, when you are frustrated, your EGO makes it worse!
There are 2 simple solutions:
1) Drop your expectations that things should be different than they are!
2) Reduce your EGO (which is your THINKING that you should be able to CONTROL reality)
Once I discovered this formula, I realized the key.
Only I can make me feel frustrated!!!
If your manager does not see you as smart. Then do NOT expect him to.
Do not TRY to get him to see you as smart. Just work on YOU. Make yourself better FOR YOU,
not for him/her.
The other phrase I love is: "Change your environment"
In English this can have 2 meanings:
1) Fix the things around you that you need to fix
2) GET A NEW Environment (like changing your job)
I love it, because if you can't do one, you MUST do the other!
You have some thinking to do. About what you want, and how to get there.
Finally, the universe is a MIRROR. It reflects back to us what we already believe.
Change your beliefs, and you will change your Universe!
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Thanks sir for your nice suggestion. i set those things and hopefully i and my team can to set for better. thanks for give your valuable time.
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It seems to me, that being payed currency would be beside the point to being employed by an IT Business. What I mean to say is, just being able to read the manuals would be pay enough.
Wouldn't it?
:whistling dixie:
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Wow,
If you can actually sell this to talented IT people, I would like to hire you to build my team!
Unfortunately, the first rule of business "you get what you pay for!" keeps coming to mind 
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Sell what? Isn't the job seeker walking onto a jobsite with his resume in hand handing it to an employee for consideration by a business boss as risky a proposition to the job seeker as it is to the prospective employer?
And I'm unfamiliar with the lyric "you get what you pay for!" bite. Perhaps a Kelly Clarkson tune?
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Your Original Comment implied that getting paid in currency was a pure bonus above just getting in there to read the manuals. Unless I read it wrong.
So I meant if you could sell the concept of Free IT workers, I am buying
As for the phrase "You get what you pay for". If you have not heard that phrase used before I am shocked, but I will explain it briefly.
A Guy walks in and offers to be a lead developer in the US. He has 10 years of programming experience, and he is willing to work for $12.00/hr (50% above minimum wage these days).
Do you think you are getting someone who is WORTH the $30-$50/hr going rate. Or one of the expensive guys who charge $75-$150/hr WORTH of programming and decision making?
I watched this happen. I watched him get hired. I watched the project crash and burn 8 months later, and the whole thing got scrapped. They got what they paid for. [Side Note: I warned the company. Only 1 of the 2 facts about the programmer should be true. He EITHER has 10 years of experience, OR he is willing to work for $12.00/hr... Not both!]
As to the risk of the relationship. More risk on the side of the employer. The employee pretty-well protected. Very easy to sue and win to get paid.
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Suit? You mean law suit?
Not getting hired, job seeker hits the pavement and is seen working on his ground game to this day.
Prospective employer hangs on to all the vital statistics he just "managed" to acquire by deceit/non-deceit and laughs in secure lock-down , well pay continues, twenty-stories-over-the-cement viewport cleaned. Was that Geronimo singing "NEXT"?
Oh, "suit"? Yeah. Bad idea showing up for that one with my beaver down.
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So I won't.
I'm expecting a little raise soon though
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I am over 65 and work for a .org... 'nuff said!
__________________
Lord, grant me the serenity to accept that there are some things I just can’t keep up with, the determination to keep up with the things I must keep up with, and the wisdom to find a good RSS feed from someone who keeps up with what I’d like to, but just don’t have the damn bandwidth to handle right now.
© 2009, Rex Hammock
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So on the one hand, I am not paid enough to deal with:
midnight tech support calls from, sigh, the tech support people
the stress induced by a complete lack of testing / QA infrastructure on the part of the company
etc.
On the other hand, I also think I'm ridiculously overpaid, if only because, quite frankly, I think teachers should be the highest paid professionals, period, not some shmuck lik me who writes ATM software for casinos where people who shouldn't be spending their money are wasting it, and people who do have gobs of money to waste are, well, wasting it.
On the gripping hand, I've also done some very rewarding work for other industries, and they tend to be non-profit or barely-profitable, so the pay reflects that. And interestingly, I'm a lot happier.
Marc
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I will disagree that ALL teachers should be paid so well...
First, it is our duty as a society to teach our children to read, and to write, and to love to learn.
They (unionized teachers) no longer teach "how to learn". The teach WHAT to learn.
Because if they teach "HOW" then the kids don't need them so much. You don't learn HOW to learn
until about college these days, and you only learn then because professors are USUALLY so bad at teaching anyways.
While we MUST value education. We currently pay near the TOP for the WORSE education system in 50 years! so I see no value in paying more for it.
Also, we do NOTHING to get the students to realize that they NEED the education. Hence the dropout rates.
My daughter is just starting to realize that she has to work 2 months to make what I can make in less than a day! (Admittedly she is part time, but the OMG was worth it!)
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Imagine the hordes of lowlies from China and India, or even Korea (Long hours is considered cool and heroic, like silicon valley but one third the wages) working low wages long hours for their Asian masters?
Problem with Chinaman is, everything is expressed in #hours you work. Doesn't matter if anything is achieved. So long everyone is suffering, like in old kungfu movies.
Next, Africa.
If you have problem with getting paid too much, try work for Asian masters.
dev
modified 10-Nov-15 11:47am.
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devvvy wrote: try work for Asian masters.
One of the rampant problems everywhere in the world is people treating other people like human beings, not human "resources." We have a lot of growing, as a species, to do, emotionally and psychologically.
Marc
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But it's all my fault.
22 years ago I went from being probably over paid in So. Cal to way under paid in a resort town off in the high snowy Rockies.
Now I have all this but not all that.
And were all hear cause were not all there!
Cute cabin though, Hi speed WiFi. Moose looking in the window, Labrador on the recliner couch next to me. Dear wife made cookies....
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then you are overpaid.. 
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Dear wife. There's your problem, should have got a cheap one
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but I think I am getting fairy / well paid.
I would like more, of course... let see how it goes.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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and hired, at least in terms of Computer Programming, an old man.
Actually - it's not that simple. I had a reason not to have "earned income" above a certain amount until a year or so ago.
So, not only am I really cute but I'm a bargain!
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I was hired, officially, as a "Java Developer". However, after a few weeks I realised that the title is irrelevant. Instead, we're expected to develop in multiple languages. As such, I've developed software in around 5 other programming languages.
I think developers should be paid relative to the complexity and value of the languages they're developing in, and the quality of the software they produce. Had I known I'd be writing a CLR library to bridge an under-documented .NET library with Java using JNI, I may have negotiated a little more money. The only reason I don't kick up a fuss is because the company is generous with progressive pay increases, and this is also my first development job, so I'm accruing experience (which is as much a requirement in industry now as having a degree or qualification.)
I believe the real question for this poll is: are you paid a salary or wage which is relatively close to what you expect your services, experience and time to be worth, compared to what your company believes?
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First:
I am still trainee I so yeah i won't get the money i deserve!
But jokes aside.
I have chosen to get into a company that pays good and with a tariff.
So from that side i feel totally comfty with it.
On the other side, this aint a IT company and i am developing stuff for (mostly) internal use, except from my current project i'd say i get paid enough. But currently i am one person that fills positions for a 10 headed dev team.
And i actually don't know if the final (when out of trainee) ~57k € +(~15-30% bonus if you are good) a year are a good payment.
got the number from this Attention direct download and in german[^]
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To buy a boat? ...nope
To buy a house with a swimming pool? ...nope
To buy a sports car? ...nope
To buy a new 50 inch 4K TV and spend the whole weekend drunk? ... HELL YEAH!!!
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