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Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast ThatsAlok14-Nov-04 21:59 ThatsAlok 14-Nov-04 21:59  ed welch wrote: Well, if you use the .net libraries, then you *must* switch to .net. If you are using only c++, then there is little reason to switch from VC 6.0. ----------------------------- "I Think It Will Help" ----------------------------- Alok Gupta visit me at http://www.thisisalok.tk Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast Anonymous15-Nov-04 8:42 Anonymous 15-Nov-04 8:42  <sarcasm>Yeah, I mean, who needs boost anyway! Partial template specialization is for losers!</sarcasm> Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast Robert M Greene19-Nov-04 3:57 Robert M Greene 19-Nov-04 3:57  I completely diagree. The compiler seems to produce much better code. The type checking is much better, and the ability to stop buffer over-runs is excellent. Intellisense and the development environment are much better in Visual Studio 2003. Plus... you can download the c++ compiler for free... (dunno if it includes latest MFC tho) ............................. There's nothing like the sound of incoming rifle and mortar rounds to cure the blues. No matter how down you are, you take an active and immediate interest in life. Fiat justitia, et ruat cælum Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast ed welch21-Nov-04 2:56 ed welch 21-Nov-04 2:56  The abiltity to stop buffer over-runs is useful, but not fool proof. the compilor impoverments are only minor improvements, in comparison to the major bugs introduced to the VC7 resource editor. Not to mention that VC7 crashes more often than VC6. Personally I find it much quicker to copy and paste than use Intellsense. And many of the UI changes in VC7 actually reduce usability, rather than improve it. Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast Arjan Einbu14-Nov-04 22:15 Arjan Einbu 14-Nov-04 22:15  This is a good thing. It means you can skip over 1.0 and 1.1, and right into 2.0 when the time comes. And 2.0 is better than the previous versions. Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast ThatsAlok14-Nov-04 23:05 ThatsAlok 14-Nov-04 23:05  Arjan Einbu wrote: It means you can skip over 1.0 and 1.1, and right into 2.0 when the time comes. And 2.0 is better than the previous versions. AGREED ----------------------------- "I Think It Will Help" ----------------------------- Alok Gupta visit me at http://www.thisisalok.tk Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast Michael P Butler14-Nov-04 23:47 Michael P Butler 14-Nov-04 23:47  IMO. I don't think they are going too fast, but they aren't giving developers the helping hand to jump aboard the band-wagon. Whilst the benefits of C# and .NET are obvious once you start to using them, I still feel that Microsoft's developer resources such as MSDN spend too much time on the "cool" and flashy features rather than showing us how .NET can make our actual development lives better. Where are the examples that show us how to solve the day-to-day problems that we face during the development process? In the last few months, they have got a little better but I still feel like they have forgotten what problems we developers face in the trenches. Michael CP Blog [^] Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast Dale Thompson15-Nov-04 11:03 Dale Thompson 15-Nov-04 11:03  Michael P Butler wrote: Whilst the benefits of C# and .NET are obvious once you start to using them, I still feel that Microsoft's developer resources such as MSDN spend too much time on the "cool" and flashy features rather than showing us how .NET can make our actual development lives better. Where are the examples that show us how to solve the day-to-day problems that we face during the development process? While this question may seem obvious - it has few obvious answers. Part of the problem is that one person's problem is not necessarily another person's problem. There are many articles available (some great ones are right here on CodeProject). But there isn't one reference on how to do everything. You need to start by understanding the .NET idioms - they are similar to Java idioms, but quite a bit different from C++ or Win32 idioms. Once you get your feet wet - it becomes pretty obvious that .NET is nearly orthogonal (the consistency of the API alone is a huge step forward). But there are so many benefits. Just start googling topics of interest and include "C#" - you are likely to find something good. Dale Thompson Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast KevinHall16-Nov-04 7:10 KevinHall 16-Nov-04 7:10  Visual Studio 6.0 came out over 6 years ago. That's pretty dated in terms of software. It's interesting to note that C++ was standardized the same year that VS6.0 came out -- because of this VC++ 6.0 doesn't conform very well to the C++ standard. The non-.NET C++ compilers that come with the .NET Visual Studios are much more compliant. For that reason alone, I would personally upgrade. It's also good to have the latest so you can personally stay educated (who knows when you'll need to find a new job). Re: Is Microsoft Going Little Fast Alexander Tereshchenko16-Nov-04 12:47 Alexander Tereshchenko 16-Nov-04 12:47  Come on! You can't be serious! Visual Studio 6 was released in 1998 - 6 years ago! Yes, I myself still work in it (only at work, not at home), but my company migrating to VS2003 currently, so hopefully in 2-3 months VS6 days there will be over

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