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a) I can only speak for the company I work for - we give the client the the code, if they ask. Usually they don't, and we just keep it indefinitely in SourceSafe.
c) Technically, their comment about security is a bad sign. Security is not about hiding the code, it is about writing secure code. If their comment is true, it means they *may* have left themselves a backdoor, and have the ability to take your site down on a whim, or borrow whatever info they wanted.
Finally, as others have said, it is easy to decompile a .NET dll.
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Releasing the code to us "for free" is unfair because they have supposedly spent "$70,000" developing it. basically trying to get us to purcahse the code we already paid them to write. We would only hold the rights to use this in house, so purchasing it for any price seems unfair on our end. I personally thought the original price of 20k was excessive, and that was before i knew we didnt have the code to make changes.
They currently use our site to advertise their services on their own website, and use it as an example of the product they sell, which is what they developed on our bill. So right now all our lawyer can think of is pulling our info from their site, as we never agreed to let them use us to advertise, nor did they ask.
I am looking for feedback on the following:
a) this deal is not indicative of typical asp.net contract work
b) we have legal recourse in the matter
c) technical workarounds for having a asp.net site compiled into a dll
Thanks ahead of time for the community's expertise, I personally have never been involved with a legal matter like this.
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Hey people,
I was one of the lucky (read extremely lucky) few had a job offer before graduation. I've been working with ASP .NET for about 10 months now and would like to know if an MCAD/MCSD is worth it, both professionally and financially.
Ideas?? Suggestions??
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It's gotten me into a few interviews that I might not have gotten into otherwise. Not sure it's worth the time and expense though.
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Yes it is worth it, not only for financial and career progression, but for the knowledge gained, which of course ebenfits the former. Mine has certainly gotten me in the door and the knowledge and experience gained has kept me there.
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The problem that reduces the value of MS ertificates is that many people just memorize the Braindumps and testking etc.
then the pass MCAD/MCSD/MCSE in a very short time
while they did ont apply the knowledge required to pass the exam.
anyway..these Certificates still deserve to think about..But for your own benifit, be honest to yourself and study and apply well before thinking about passing the exam.
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Do u have any link that would give the dumps for MCSD.net??
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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It is straight and simple. Get the exams passed (by SOME means), but have your knowledge about development very sharp...
Having 10 months of experience is better for that matter try MCAD... if you are still in the learning process after that and your financial status if fine... complete your MCSD. AS far as I know...
MCAD + some exams = MCSD
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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It will get you in the door for interview at some companies. Others are not fussed.
I did my MCAD last year and I'm upgrading soon (read as soon as I've passed the final exam) to MCSD. I'm doing it the good old fasioned way of studying. And on 4 exams I passed first time... The Solutions Architecture exam I'm finding more difficult.  and I failed it the first time round. I will be re-taking it soon though.
There are a number of ways to do this. You can get the books and pay for just the exams which is the cheapest way, or you can go on training courses (which is more expensive). If you can get your company to pay for it then that's the best. If you're working for a Microsoft partner then they should jump at the chance to get you qualified.
"You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want." --Zig Ziglar
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."
--Charles Babbage (1791-1871)
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
You can get the books and pay for just the exams which is the cheapest way
I am trying this method
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The Solutions Architecture exam I'm finding more difficult. and I failed it the first time round. I will be re-taking it soon though.
Oh boy, dont scare me... I have also made that exam as a last in my list
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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I wouldn't stop at an MCAD. Get the full MCSD. Its worth it. Its helped open doors for me that would be shut if I didn't have it.
I would get the books and spend the extra on the transcender practice tests. They are a huge aid in studying for these tests.
Good luck
J
MCSD C#
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I have been a network engineer for about 2 1/2 years now. I was unable to find any type of development job when I graduated college. I have been out since December 2001. I am frustrated because I have been on only a few interviews. I have looked on all types of sites and paper.....I guess I am really frustrated and looking for some advice.
Thanks everyone 
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Join the club, admission is free!
Matthew Hazlett
Windows 2000/2003 MCSE
Never got an MCSD, go figure...
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I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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believe me you will get bored about that as well in few years.. you career should ideally contain few yrs or dev, few yrs of testing...all stages of SDLC.. but with constant updates about latest technologies
what is windows?
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dancingbaby wrote:
but with constant updates about latest technologies
dancingbaby wrote:
what is windows?
 
I was born intelligent
Education ruined me!.
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 well that was my signature 
what is windows?
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He intially stated he was a network engineer. Why would he need the SDLC (Software Development Life Cycle) ??? Just curious!
Yes, I program in VB, but only to feed my addiction to a warm place to sleep and food to eat!
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If you guys would have to make an educated guess what would you say the going rate for a Jr. Programmer is now days? From what I have gathered the average is about 46K . Any response is appreciated. Thanks.
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I have one jr developer now that isn't worth a nickle.
It depends on the skills and area. C/C++ pay more than VB.
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ok well i develop in C# mainly and everyone has been pleased with my work thus far. Now knowing that what kind of range are we talking about on an average?
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Also depends on what part of the country you're in. I live in South Carolina and there's about $10K difference from the city I'm in and a nearby city (30 minutes apart). Not only that but salaries go up another $10k or more just another hour and a half down the road. It all comes down to industry... of the three cities the one with the largest average salary is of course the one with the most technology.
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Er, and what country...
I hate to mention this, but there's a small (but growing) group of countries across that big stretch of water known as the Atlantic Ocean, for instance, and within even a small country (ok, a collective group: The United Kingdom), there are variances.
Typical developer salaries in the Midlands are considerably lower than those paid a hundred miles further south.
Don't sites like DICE carry salary surveys or something?
Steve S
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Hehe, I earn less than $8000 per year being a Jr. programmer as you called it. I have rich experience in C++ and UML design.
Its Russia.
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Well, that kind of reinforces my point.
There was an outcry in the UK about the fact that companies outsourced stuff to India, for instance. Employment costs in India are generally lower than in the UK. Firstly, because of the relative differences in costs of living, and secondly, we have legislation which means it's not an advantage to be an employer!
Then, allegedly, some of the Indian outsourcing companies began to complain, because they were being undercut by China - a case of the biter bit.
Luckily, my best customers don't want the lowest price - they want *me* to visit them, collect their requirements, quote them a price and delivery time, and then stick to it - they know they could get something cheaper elsewhere, but they want the warm feeling they get from being able to call with a bug report or a feature request on a Friday afternoon, and know that (unless I've told them otherwise), they'll have some kind of resolution or quote for implementation by Tuesday at the latest.
YMMV.
Steve S
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