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Hey raddevus,
When you performed the upgrade, did it offer you the choice between upgrading the current OS or installing Win 11 as a clean install?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Sorry for the delay, just saw this.
Anyways, it did not offer a choice that I saw.
I just had the Upgrade option in the Updates area and tried that.
I will tell you that it took 3 hours on a 500GB connection and a fast computer to upgrade.
The download / preparing stage to get to 100% took forever.
I have written a Rust command-line program that allows me to watch the entire drive to see if anything is being written and I used that to watch if there was activity (open source at my github - GitHub - raddevus/watcher: File System Watcher implemented in Rust - can watch events on directories & tail files (continuously watches files or directories)[^] .
At one point it got to 96% and I thought it was stuck. I duckduckgo'd it and others said they got stuck at 96% so I thought it was bad.
I finally rebooted (ugh) and it started again -- but it started at the beginning. Oy!
It finally made it to 100%.
But even then it sat there for a long while.
Finally, I thought it would just reboot, and it did, but then it did the old blue screen with spinner saying it was x% and updating and that took a while too.
It seems that it all went well, even though it took so long.
modified 11-Feb-24 18:29pm.
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the new coders at microsoft don't know how to do that please forgive them, rest of the people just keep the cloud hosting going...
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I don't blame the programmers at all because they don't call the shots. It's the product managers (and above) who make those decisions which continue to be abysmal.
I remember the marketing campaign when W10 was coming out. It was supposed to be the last operating system we would ever need. Right. 
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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.... with this AI thing things like taskbar even loose the relevance... soon its like the movie her... since once apple have local ai and intels new chips......
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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raddevus wrote: I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop
<ms-rant>I'm currently irritated that for the first time ever, I am being forced to retire *perfectly good hardware in order to run a new O/S that I don't really want.  Unfortunately, I'm still maintaining LOB desktop applications and need to test on that environment. (especially now that one customer is reporting print preview issues that are specific to Win11) < /ms-rant>
* 7 y/o laptop (i7 + 16GB) and a 5 y/o desktop (AMD A12-9800 Radeon R7 + 12GB)
Hmmm, after writing this I realize that while that hardware doesn't feel old, it really does match my replacement cycle of 5-6 years. Wow, time sure flies! 
It doesn't really matter though as yesterday I ordered a new desktop system (AMD Ryzen 5 + 16GB) with lots of room for expansion. It was the most money I've paid for a PC in decades, but it should last for awhile. I found it amusing that not one reviewer discussed performance for work...either developers don't leave reviews, they don't buy 'gaming' rigs, or most consumers are just looking for a pretty toy to play with.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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My pc is my tool to work. Therefore I'm willing to spend every about 5 years to bring up my tool to the latest state of art. To be honest, because I spend on every upgrade more then I need, the upgrade frequency becomes about 8 years.
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curious - do you spec and build your own systems?
I won't buy Dell, HP, ffs never Asus, etc. If I'm building a desktop, I do it myself. Doing so allows me to be careful with what goes into the box. If it's a laptop, ports, SSD #, and max ram. I work with people who have to live with corporate IT generic laptops. They get to the point where they just give up caring. If their equipment goes down, they still get paid.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I'm guessing the old systems didn't support TPM 2.0? I had to switch to the firmware TPM on my system to upgrade.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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kmoorevs wrote: yesterday I ordered a new desktop system (AMD Ryzen 5 + 16GB) with lots of room for expansion
That's the same desktop that I'm using daily. I've been running this rig for over 4 years now and it is still going great. Typing on it right now. (Running Ubuntu 22.04.3LTS -- RDP to win 10 machines for work).
Good luck!
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After a couple hours of searching and playing with alternatives, I went with StartAllBack. It can do left and right, and it is the only program I found that allows the old folder-interface that allows the easiest access to your programs. It isn't as nice as Start10 was, since the folder interface is below the main part of the window, and must be expanded from root, but at least it is there.
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Rotate your monitor and use it in portrait mode.
Then your taskbar, at the bottom, with run along the shorter edge and you'll still have a ton more stuff visible vertically.
That's not how my primary monitor is set up, but it works rather nicely with my secondary one.
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although your suggestion is good, having to rotate your monitor to adapt to stupidity from MS is satirical. 
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: having to rotate your monitor to adapt to stupidity from MS is satirical
That's a good way to describe it. 
I would NOT rotate my monitor if the sole reason was that MS won't let you move the taskbar to its side. It definitely has its use.
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I feel the pain too when I read that this was being removed, last week. Have had my task bar on the left for years and enjoy it - it feels like less distance to travel with the mouse when flipping between many open apps/windows. I think this is because I have the habit of putting the mouse off to the right side of the screen to get the cursor out of my way. Maybe I will have to change to putting it at the bottom.
I use shortcut key combos to as much as I can since this is the fastest vs mousing, but alt-tabbing through your windows when you have many apps open is still slower than mouse clicking on the app in the taskbar.
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I read somewhere MS is working on the new/old feature, and will support moving taskbar to left/right side in future again.
Win 11 sucks (
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there have to be smart people working at MS right? I just shake my head in wonder.... I get they want to support other devices, but there is no fathomable reason to limit other users...
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I bought a collection of ancient books named as below. what kind of languages are these book titles?
3. Algorithmvs demonstratvs, by an unknown author, (1534)
4. Almagestü Cl. Ptolemei, by Venetijs, P. Liechtenstein, (1515)
diligent hands rule....
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First one is latin. 2nd could be in any number of languages. Original is Greek but was translated over the centuries in many languages. The reference to Liechtenstein might point to German, but how knows.
Mircea
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"Never before has anyone dared utter words of that tongue here," -- Elrond
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Update: Solved it and am way ahead of the curve.
I recently accepted a tentative contract (contingent on a successful round of funding) to develop some stuff for embedded.
I'm using a newer STM32 offering to do so, and I've run head first into a limitation of STM32CubeIDE and the makefiles it generates. It wants to put all my arrays into DTCM ram instead of SRAM. I only have 128KB of the former, which isn't enough to drive all the devices I have to drive.
I want to put the arrays in the latter and to do so I'm told I need to generate custom .ld linker scripts which for starters I've never had to do before, and secondly i think it will blow a nuclear sized hole in my workflow.
I've got to figure this out before Tuesday, and I'm not feeling good about it.
Check out my IoT graphics library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx
And my IoT UI/User Experience library here:
https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
modified 10-Feb-24 15:51pm.
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