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Maximilien wrote: I fall asleep (too) easily in the evening, but I wake up at 4h or 4h30 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep.
I also doze off too often watching TV early evening. Not any sort of deep sleep, I wake up easily from that, but I try fight it.
There was a point where I figured, why fight it, if I'm that tired, it's because I need the sleep, and made no effort to fight it off. But I've come to realize, invariably, if I'm asleep early evening, I'll be wide awake at 11pm, and will toss and turn until maybe 4am. Which guarantees I'll be groggy for the entire upcoming day. So going to bed early always makes things worse for me.
Maximilien wrote: I don't remember the last time I've setup an alarm.
Same. More often than not, I'm awake at 6am (7 at the latest), but don't need to get out of bed at that time so I just stay there - otherwise getting out of bed is a struggle, and I'll definitely notice being tired earlier come late afternoon.
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dandy72 wrote: There was a point where I figured,
You didn't mention it but I have seen suggestions that insuring that you have a regular schedule can help.
So for example no staying up late on the weekends.
Nor sleeping in.
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jschell wrote: insuring that you have a regular schedule can help.
Interesting thought.
I follow a schedule pretty regularly every workday...but do indulge on the weekends. 11. Midnight. 1, maybe, is still not a rare occurrence. But one thing I can't do is sleep in. No matter how much (or little) I sleep, I'm almost always awake at around the same time.
I've also come to the realization a long time ago that there's no such thing as "making up for lost time"--if I sleep poorly one night, I can NOT sleep in the next day to make up for it. It just keeps accumulating until (say) I take a nap on a weekend afternoon.
After writing this, I'm starting to think it might not be enough to stick to a regular schedule during the week if I'm all over the place during weekends. That'll be hard for me to stick to.
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I would encourage all with sleep problems to get a sleep study done. My wife nagged me until I did about 5 years ago, and wound up with a CPAP (a BPAP technically). Greatly improved my sleeping habits to the point I almost cannot even take a simple nap without it, but well worth the 6 - 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep w/o sleep medicine or supplements.
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I've had a CPAP for about 5 years. I'm addicted to it. My wife likes it because I no longer snore. I feel crappy if I sleep horizontal without it. I can sleep in a chair okay. It's a pain to fly with these days as it becones an expense to carry.
I still tend to wake up at 3:00 AM to releave myself and it's a coin flip if I can get back to sleep.
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I know; I used to have regular sleep apnea crisis at night (stopped breathing and wake up struggling for air, it freaked the bejesus of my GF)
I lost some weight and it helped a lot (I'm struggling with that) due to some health issues.
I don't remember that last time it happened.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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I"m only 45, but have been on here nearly 2 decades as well. Sleep is still great for me. Out by 11 most nights and mostly wake up refreshed. Except for the silly Sleep Number bed. Please never buy one, I look forward to any hotel bed now to get away from it.
I did also get a Mandibular advancement splint to help with my snoring. Sleep doc tried to force a CPAP machine on me and I wasn't having it. I hate to admit it, but my Garmin watch shows I sleep better when its in my mouth.
Hogan
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My Sleep Number bed was the worst purchase I ever made. They have a huge revenue stream of chargeable replacement parts for something under warranty. Got rid of the mattress when the replacement pump was on indefinite back order. For my wife's anniversary present this year we got rid of the base and bought a made of real wood bed. We both sleep great, even if I still wake up at 3:00 to go.
CPAP has probably been the second-best health technology improvement I've had.
My family doctor said he resisted one for years but now he has it and wishes he would have used it sooner.
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Someone help me. I want to take this discussion completely private. I want to ask some questions that quite frankly are not forum safe. For me or anyone who might want to respond. I'm looking for something where it is secure and anonymous but created for this conversation. And, no, I don't want to talk about it with SWMBO, bless her soul. The last part is not sarcasm. Without her I'd be dead already.
I just want to knock around ideas and questions that frankly are very personal and health related. I do not want any CP id's or any info about who you are. I want observations from 55 yo+ developers, your life style, etc.
I'll dig around for some sort of secure tool or site or what not. And no, I'm not a marketing bot. I think enough of you here know me. I'm trying to correlate some health issues in my life (like why can't I sleep). I want to know if it's just me.
I'm going to try and get some sleep now.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: completely private
That's going to be complicated, I think. Maybe you have to setup a discord channel ? On the other side, if you are as concerned as it seems, it may be a good idea to seek real help and not facts from a statistically biased population.
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Difficult yes. But the only reason is I wanted to ask specific dietary questions - any maybe life things. And to keep it completely private. I'll search and see what I can find. I despise google - it's all ad's and lies. I was just shooting for some raw data from people like me.
For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
That's been happening to me for over 40 years. Spend hours on a problem, eventually go to bed, wake up at 4AM having worked it out subconsciously...
FYI, I'm 68. Often don't get to sleep until after 2AM. Usually set alarm for 7:30AM, but the cats sometimes pre-empt this often resulting in them getting shut out of the bedroom - they run downstairs thinking I've got up to feed them...
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I am too young to be in target panel, so not of a great help - but I wish you all the best and to stay forever healthy 
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If related to sleeping are you aware that you can go to a doctor and have a sleep study done? You will sleep (whatever that means for you) and they will analyze what is actually going on.
Not to mention some other testing.
I know someone that did that and then got a CPAP (google if you don't know) and went from sleeping maybe 2 hours a night for decades to actually sleeping 8 hours a night. But not necessarily a cure-all, since it doesn't work for everyone. But there are other solutions.
And yes not sleeping often can impact other health conditions.
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Agreed. The doctors and I are in a death struggle with my blood count (I am exceptionally anemic). We're making progress.
I have my annual physical coming up in January so I'll bring it up.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I'm 74, going on 75. Yes, there is maximum age discrimination in the industry. It is one of the things I have nightmares about. They don't wake me up, however.
I go to bed around 10:30, and then have a set schedule to be awakened by my need to get up and go to the bathroom. Once at 12:30, and once around 3:30.
My wife, like yours, falls asleep in a minute or so. She snores, sometimes so loudly, it wakes her up.
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Here's to Old Eddie, a timeless spirit in a world that sometimes forgets the value of experience! As the years add up like chapters in a well-worn book, your journey becomes a testament to resilience and wisdom. In an industry that may be obsessed with the new, you stand as a living testament to the richness that comes with age. Here's to the countless stories etched in the lines on your face, each one a treasure trove of lessons and laughter. May your days continue to be filled with the warmth of memories and the joy of knowing that every year adds a new layer to the masterpiece that is your life. Happy 74th, with anticipation for the adventures that 75 will undoubtedly bring! 🎉🥳
(thanks chap gpt)
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
modified 17-Nov-23 11:02am.
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You're pretty cool yourself.
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snores - which can never be mentioned. ever 
I tried some sleep aid from Costco (mainly antihistamine if I recall correctly). Even less sleep and talk about getting wired.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Last night to bed at 11 up at 3:30
Night before to bed at 10:30 up at 2
I'm 74 and have had sleeping problems for many years.
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
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so you just suck it up and move on? I know my mom did.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Getting old ain't for sissies!
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
PartsBin an Electronics Part Organizer - Release Version 1.3.0 JaxCoder.com
Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate
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charlieg wrote: I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST.
Similar for me, but it's usually 1AM, then 3AM, then around 4:30 am, then 5:45am when I actually have to get up. Many times, I've come up with clever (at least I think they are) solutions for the more vexing problems of the day. Yes, I am constantly tired, my old man once said to me, Quote from my old man: "once you have kids, you'll never get a good nights sleep again"
So far, that's the truth.
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Since I was about 40 I stopped sleeping for more than 4 hours at a time. That's my "long" sleep, if I end up getting it. Usually it's 2 hours.
And I typically have to lay down and sleep after I eat. I'm not prediabetic (there are two reasons this can happen and I have the other one)
My day has become a series of naps. It's frustrating.
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honey the codewitch wrote: prediabetic
This reminded me of a conversation I heard (some podcast?) where the hosts were discussing how Big Pharma came up with the word "pre-cancerous", to push some pills/injections/treatment of one kind or another. The implication being, you'll either get cancer later, or already have it. The conversation went on to define life as "pre-death". 
I'm not trying to make light of the situation, and I fully realize "prediabetic" is absolutely a thing. Just that somehow my mind went there.
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