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charlieg wrote: completely private
That's going to be complicated, I think. Maybe you have to setup a discord channel ? On the other side, if you are as concerned as it seems, it may be a good idea to seek real help and not facts from a statistically biased population.
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Difficult yes. But the only reason is I wanted to ask specific dietary questions - any maybe life things. And to keep it completely private. I'll search and see what I can find. I despise google - it's all ad's and lies. I was just shooting for some raw data from people like me.
For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
That's been happening to me for over 40 years. Spend hours on a problem, eventually go to bed, wake up at 4AM having worked it out subconsciously...
FYI, I'm 68. Often don't get to sleep until after 2AM. Usually set alarm for 7:30AM, but the cats sometimes pre-empt this often resulting in them getting shut out of the bedroom - they run downstairs thinking I've got up to feed them...
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I am too young to be in target panel, so not of a great help - but I wish you all the best and to stay forever healthy 
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If related to sleeping are you aware that you can go to a doctor and have a sleep study done? You will sleep (whatever that means for you) and they will analyze what is actually going on.
Not to mention some other testing.
I know someone that did that and then got a CPAP (google if you don't know) and went from sleeping maybe 2 hours a night for decades to actually sleeping 8 hours a night. But not necessarily a cure-all, since it doesn't work for everyone. But there are other solutions.
And yes not sleeping often can impact other health conditions.
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Agreed. The doctors and I are in a death struggle with my blood count (I am exceptionally anemic). We're making progress.
I have my annual physical coming up in January so I'll bring it up.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I'm 74, going on 75. Yes, there is maximum age discrimination in the industry. It is one of the things I have nightmares about. They don't wake me up, however.
I go to bed around 10:30, and then have a set schedule to be awakened by my need to get up and go to the bathroom. Once at 12:30, and once around 3:30.
My wife, like yours, falls asleep in a minute or so. She snores, sometimes so loudly, it wakes her up.
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Here's to Old Eddie, a timeless spirit in a world that sometimes forgets the value of experience! As the years add up like chapters in a well-worn book, your journey becomes a testament to resilience and wisdom. In an industry that may be obsessed with the new, you stand as a living testament to the richness that comes with age. Here's to the countless stories etched in the lines on your face, each one a treasure trove of lessons and laughter. May your days continue to be filled with the warmth of memories and the joy of knowing that every year adds a new layer to the masterpiece that is your life. Happy 74th, with anticipation for the adventures that 75 will undoubtedly bring! 🎉🥳
(thanks chap gpt)
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
modified 17-Nov-23 11:02am.
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You're pretty cool yourself.
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snores - which can never be mentioned. ever 
I tried some sleep aid from Costco (mainly antihistamine if I recall correctly). Even less sleep and talk about getting wired.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Last night to bed at 11 up at 3:30
Night before to bed at 10:30 up at 2
I'm 74 and have had sleeping problems for many years.
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
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so you just suck it up and move on? I know my mom did.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Getting old ain't for sissies!
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
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Latest Article: SimpleWizardUpdate
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charlieg wrote: I tend to crash around 10 or 11. But if I've been thinking about something, within a few hours I am wide awake. It's a little after 3am EST.
Similar for me, but it's usually 1AM, then 3AM, then around 4:30 am, then 5:45am when I actually have to get up. Many times, I've come up with clever (at least I think they are) solutions for the more vexing problems of the day. Yes, I am constantly tired, my old man once said to me, Quote from my old man: "once you have kids, you'll never get a good nights sleep again"
So far, that's the truth.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Since I was about 40 I stopped sleeping for more than 4 hours at a time. That's my "long" sleep, if I end up getting it. Usually it's 2 hours.
And I typically have to lay down and sleep after I eat. I'm not prediabetic (there are two reasons this can happen and I have the other one)
My day has become a series of naps. It's frustrating.
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honey the codewitch wrote: prediabetic
This reminded me of a conversation I heard (some podcast?) where the hosts were discussing how Big Pharma came up with the word "pre-cancerous", to push some pills/injections/treatment of one kind or another. The implication being, you'll either get cancer later, or already have it. The conversation went on to define life as "pre-death". 
I'm not trying to make light of the situation, and I fully realize "prediabetic" is absolutely a thing. Just that somehow my mind went there.
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I usually go between 22 and 01 to sleep. Then I wake up a couple of times to give flasks.
If I work from home, kids wake me up between 06:30 and 06:45
If I go to the office, I wake up around 05:00
If I had no interruptions, I would sleep 6 or 7 hours like a stone.
Snore is a problem for me, and I got a CPAP. It bugged me, but it helps. My luck is, I need not much bars.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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i had some older folks who retired they used to sleep at 8pm regardless.....then again they lived the simplest of lifes...just taking orders....from the bosses..
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I'm 41, I'm one o those 'lucky' ones that need very little sleep on a genetic level, I've been like this my whole life, even as a teen I already slept less than 7 hours a night. My normal is less than 5 hours a night usually in one solid dreamless block.
I work in an office so in business days I go to bed a little before 3AM and get up around 7AM. If I'm left to my own devices (weekends, holidays and the like) sleep usually goes from a bit before 5AM to a bit after 9AM. Basically not exactly but almost night owl.
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I am 38. If I lie down, I am sleeping in 30 seconds max regardless of time of day. I typically sleep around 11-ish and wake up at 7. On Tuesdays and Thursdays I sleep later than midnight since I come back from badminton around 1130-midnight. But still wake up at same time.
I have a gift - I can sleep anytime, anywhere in any position (I have slept once while in standing in a queue).
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charlieg wrote: Is this an age thing?
Yes.
Or at least probably depending on age.
charlieg wrote: She's snoring within 5 minutes and has an internal alarm clock for 5am
People tend to think getting older means exactly the same thing for everyone. It doesn't. Sometimes older people sleep better than when they were young.
Following seems like a good link
A Good Night's Sleep | National Institute on Aging[^]
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I'll read it.
FWIW, I believe the beginning of wisdom is realizing you lack it and ask questions. Hence this thread.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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Ask you doctor for alprazolam. 0.5 mg at bedtime will likely let you sleep all night.
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charlieg wrote: How are you sleeping?
At almost 57, I sleep just fine but I tend to wander. 
The missus and I have a routine:
0: around 8PM, she falls asleep on the couch and I typically watch news until 9PM when Alexa tells me to take my meds.
1: go to bed, put on the news again and am usually out before 10.
2: around midnight, the missus and the hound move from the couch to the bed.
3: typically around 2AM I wake up drenched in sweat, or the hound has turned crossways and is kicking the hell out of me.
4: I move from the bed to the couch, put on the news again and sleep until 5AM or so
5: 50/50 either stay on the couch or go back to bed, depends on the position/disposition of the hound! 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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3 made me lol
An Elvis song comes to mind.
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