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Richard Deeming wrote: earlier if the cats are being arseholes.
If?
Cats are always arseholes, right? 
We used to put ours in the back room each night, otherwise one or the other would be up puking, howling, bumping the door, etc. That's normal cat behavior, not deviant (for a cat). 
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I am 2.5 decades your senior.
Short version: It will get worse.
Longer version: I turn in between 10 and 11. I drop off to sleep almost immediately. I get up 2-3 times a night to accommodate a prostate the size of Philadelphia. If I get up after 0400, and have anything technical on my mind, I am done for the night. I get up and work on stuff. I will then take a couple of naps during the day if am WFH, nod off a time or 2 if I am on site. I am moving a domain controller from version 2012 to 2019 via new server (VM), and adding some surveillance cameras. Almost all is done remote with a somewhat relaxed schedule.
An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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bite me  everything you said  I just didn't want to make it public.
You 50 somethings, listen up. want to know why old people are cranky? what he said. tell me where to ship the case of beer. Now you'll be up more.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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I brew my own beer. Chemist. Turn water, sugar, yeast, hops, and grain into beer.
Turn the beer into urine.
Life is good.
>64
Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Separate the urine into water and urea.
Use the water for the beer, and the urea as fertilizer for the grain.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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. .only if you are the space shuttle or a remote planet, thank you. 
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theoldfool wrote: An intellectual is someone who can listen to the William Tell Overture and not think of the Lone Ranger.
As the aircraft designer said, "Simplicate and add lightness".
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How am I sleeping? Terribly. (65 now but it's been bad since late 50s)
SWMBO goes to bed anytime after 21:15 and can be asleep in ten minutes. She'll often wake up around 5ish and not be able to get back to sleep. However I don't really look forward to going to bed; it means an hour of lying awake, then finally dropping off before waking about half an hour later for the first of two or three loo trips through the night*. So I usually end up going up around 23:00, simply because I've been surfing the web or watching the telly until then. If I wake up at 5 or 6, I'll have another hour awake until I drop off, then probably oversleep until gone 8.
We all know that getting good sleep is really important, yet very few of us - I suspect - achieve it. And yes, of course I know screen time before bed is bad.
* If I go into AFib, it can be trips to the loo every 10 - 15 minutes for three or four hours.
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I fall asleep (too) easily in the evening, but I wake up at 4h or 4h30 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep.
I don't remember the last time I've setup an alarm.
There was some changes due to health issues.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Probably expected and even reasonable if this still represents getting enough sleep.
Just change your sleep schedule to actually accommodate going to bed earlier.
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Maximilien wrote: I fall asleep (too) easily in the evening, but I wake up at 4h or 4h30 in the morning and cannot go back to sleep.
I also doze off too often watching TV early evening. Not any sort of deep sleep, I wake up easily from that, but I try fight it.
There was a point where I figured, why fight it, if I'm that tired, it's because I need the sleep, and made no effort to fight it off. But I've come to realize, invariably, if I'm asleep early evening, I'll be wide awake at 11pm, and will toss and turn until maybe 4am. Which guarantees I'll be groggy for the entire upcoming day. So going to bed early always makes things worse for me.
Maximilien wrote: I don't remember the last time I've setup an alarm.
Same. More often than not, I'm awake at 6am (7 at the latest), but don't need to get out of bed at that time so I just stay there - otherwise getting out of bed is a struggle, and I'll definitely notice being tired earlier come late afternoon.
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dandy72 wrote: There was a point where I figured,
You didn't mention it but I have seen suggestions that insuring that you have a regular schedule can help.
So for example no staying up late on the weekends.
Nor sleeping in.
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jschell wrote: insuring that you have a regular schedule can help.
Interesting thought.
I follow a schedule pretty regularly every workday...but do indulge on the weekends. 11. Midnight. 1, maybe, is still not a rare occurrence. But one thing I can't do is sleep in. No matter how much (or little) I sleep, I'm almost always awake at around the same time.
I've also come to the realization a long time ago that there's no such thing as "making up for lost time"--if I sleep poorly one night, I can NOT sleep in the next day to make up for it. It just keeps accumulating until (say) I take a nap on a weekend afternoon.
After writing this, I'm starting to think it might not be enough to stick to a regular schedule during the week if I'm all over the place during weekends. That'll be hard for me to stick to.
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I would encourage all with sleep problems to get a sleep study done. My wife nagged me until I did about 5 years ago, and wound up with a CPAP (a BPAP technically). Greatly improved my sleeping habits to the point I almost cannot even take a simple nap without it, but well worth the 6 - 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep w/o sleep medicine or supplements.
Pound to fit, paint to match
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I've had a CPAP for about 5 years. I'm addicted to it. My wife likes it because I no longer snore. I feel crappy if I sleep horizontal without it. I can sleep in a chair okay. It's a pain to fly with these days as it becones an expense to carry.
I still tend to wake up at 3:00 AM to releave myself and it's a coin flip if I can get back to sleep.
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I know; I used to have regular sleep apnea crisis at night (stopped breathing and wake up struggling for air, it freaked the bejesus of my GF)
I lost some weight and it helped a lot (I'm struggling with that) due to some health issues.
I don't remember that last time it happened.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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I"m only 45, but have been on here nearly 2 decades as well. Sleep is still great for me. Out by 11 most nights and mostly wake up refreshed. Except for the silly Sleep Number bed. Please never buy one, I look forward to any hotel bed now to get away from it.
I did also get a Mandibular advancement splint to help with my snoring. Sleep doc tried to force a CPAP machine on me and I wasn't having it. I hate to admit it, but my Garmin watch shows I sleep better when its in my mouth.
Hogan
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My Sleep Number bed was the worst purchase I ever made. They have a huge revenue stream of chargeable replacement parts for something under warranty. Got rid of the mattress when the replacement pump was on indefinite back order. For my wife's anniversary present this year we got rid of the base and bought a made of real wood bed. We both sleep great, even if I still wake up at 3:00 to go.
CPAP has probably been the second-best health technology improvement I've had.
My family doctor said he resisted one for years but now he has it and wishes he would have used it sooner.
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Someone help me. I want to take this discussion completely private. I want to ask some questions that quite frankly are not forum safe. For me or anyone who might want to respond. I'm looking for something where it is secure and anonymous but created for this conversation. And, no, I don't want to talk about it with SWMBO, bless her soul. The last part is not sarcasm. Without her I'd be dead already.
I just want to knock around ideas and questions that frankly are very personal and health related. I do not want any CP id's or any info about who you are. I want observations from 55 yo+ developers, your life style, etc.
I'll dig around for some sort of secure tool or site or what not. And no, I'm not a marketing bot. I think enough of you here know me. I'm trying to correlate some health issues in my life (like why can't I sleep). I want to know if it's just me.
I'm going to try and get some sleep now.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: completely private
That's going to be complicated, I think. Maybe you have to setup a discord channel ? On the other side, if you are as concerned as it seems, it may be a good idea to seek real help and not facts from a statistically biased population.
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Difficult yes. But the only reason is I wanted to ask specific dietary questions - any maybe life things. And to keep it completely private. I'll search and see what I can find. I despise google - it's all ad's and lies. I was just shooting for some raw data from people like me.
For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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charlieg wrote: For example, I have often woken up in the dead of night knowing where the bug is. etc
That's been happening to me for over 40 years. Spend hours on a problem, eventually go to bed, wake up at 4AM having worked it out subconsciously...
FYI, I'm 68. Often don't get to sleep until after 2AM. Usually set alarm for 7:30AM, but the cats sometimes pre-empt this often resulting in them getting shut out of the bedroom - they run downstairs thinking I've got up to feed them...
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I am too young to be in target panel, so not of a great help - but I wish you all the best and to stay forever healthy 
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If related to sleeping are you aware that you can go to a doctor and have a sleep study done? You will sleep (whatever that means for you) and they will analyze what is actually going on.
Not to mention some other testing.
I know someone that did that and then got a CPAP (google if you don't know) and went from sleeping maybe 2 hours a night for decades to actually sleeping 8 hours a night. But not necessarily a cure-all, since it doesn't work for everyone. But there are other solutions.
And yes not sleeping often can impact other health conditions.
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Agreed. The doctors and I are in a death struggle with my blood count (I am exceptionally anemic). We're making progress.
I have my annual physical coming up in January so I'll bring it up.
Charlie Gilley
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
Has never been more appropriate.
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