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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not.
Catch 22: Are you?
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dandy72 wrote: Are you?
Nope. 
Jeremy Falcon
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Just checking. 
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I am more interested in how kind people are than how smart they are. But you're right. I joined an online banter group and the right wing filth in there worked out I have morals and started to mass report my accounts to get them deleted. My attempts at finding basic friendship are always frustrated by the fact I have morals
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Christian Graus wrote: My attempts at finding basic friendship are always frustrated by the fact I have a kind of morals not compatible with theirs
FTFY moral is like beauty, it depends on the eye that is looking at it.
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No, I'm sorry, trying to kill muslims and trans kids is not morals
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Hmm, morals, the principles of right and wrong, isn't something we are born with, it's taught and learned.
Like normality it's relative. Relative to your family, relative to your community, relative to your society, but unlike normality it isn't relative to our species.
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I learned a long time ago to read a lot of books.
That's where I find "intelligent" people.
These book are some of my favorites and I've read them all at least once - most of them I've read numerous times.
If you read all of these and need more, I've got them. 
Here's a list of books that I highly recommend:
Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World[^]
Turns modern ideas upside down and will make you think again about what learning is and why it's important to learn tons of stuff that normally doesn't belong together.
Do Hard Things: Why We Get Resilience Wrong and the Surprising Science of Real Toughness[^]
Gets to the root of how motivation works. Explains the modern problems that people are having with being resilient. Will open your eyes in many ways. The story from the author is fantastic one of achievement even while becoming overwhelmed by life.
The $100 Startup: Reinvent the Way You Make a Living, Do What You Love, and Create a New Future[^]
The best business book I've ever read. If you really wanted to start a business you'd read this book and follow the author's advice (who actually followed his own advice himself and is very successful person). Where other business books fall flat because they are so theoretical, this one soars with hands-on work to do to get it all going. If only University would teach business like this!!
Happy People Are Annoying[^] - Josh Peck (child actor)
Josh pulls no punches about his own life -- very self-deprecating.
He went through some difficult things, addiction, etc. but his story is absolutely inspiring and he never goes too dark in the retelling. Overall super inspirational.
I felt much better for reading this book.
Mindset: The New Psychology of Success[^]
The title doesn't do this book justice. Filled with research and insight. So inspiring.
Explains two mindsets: Fixed & Growth. I started out life as fixed and was a failure and a zero until I finally understood that anything could be learned (and turned into Growth mindset).
Linchpin: Are You Indispensible?[^]
I've read this book once and listened to the entire thing 8 times.
I originally listened to it in 2008 when it released and then I listened to it once every year.
I've read many Seth Godin books and this is the one I like. I listen to his podcast and I often disagree, but this book is must-read (must-listen) for anyone working in the modern world!!!
Fiction
Game of Thrones[^] - the novel (I've never watched the series, but my two adult sons have)
I just completed the 1st novel and was amazed at how great the writing is.
I'm now reading Clash of Kings[^] (picked it up at a 2nd hand store for $2)
Conspicuously missing from the list:
Atomic Habits - read it, and it could've been presented in a pamphlet. Mostly boring.
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Interesting...
thanks for the list.
M.D.V.
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If you read any of those (or have read) I'm open to discussion about them.
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I haven't read them, but I am looking into mindfullness / resilience / positive thinking / non violent communication / personal growth and some of other topics in the direction due to personal interest.
I have even joined a "new culture" network at work, trying to change the general mindset (while learning myself about it as a collateral profit) at the company.
I am curious... have you read something of "Human design"? I have never taken astrology seriously, but I have attended a serie of online sessions about the topic and I liked the guy's explanations. I even did a couple of tests myself in meetings with other people and I really got surprised about the results.
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No, I've never read anything like that.
And, none of the books that I've mentioned are "personality-based".
Instead, the books look at large studies of large groups of people and how they behave and then take some ideas from that.
Also, have you read the book, The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains[^], ?
I'm not mentioning that in relation to your post, just that the book has tons of research and the things they discovered about the way people behave and learn and why. I highly suggest that book.
It's another that I read twice. Absolutely fascinating.
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No, I haven't even know the book until you mentioned it
I've added it to the "toDo", but until the kiddies are not a bit older... way too few time.
M.D.V. 
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Thanks for the list, I may pick up the audio books for the non-fiction stuff. I would imagine that GoT books are excellent, but these days if it's fiction I'll just watch the movie to save time. Still read non-fiction though... well listen to the audio books really, but we'll call that reading.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat.
Not interested, sorry.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not
Her name is Tiffany, and you might want to read Pratchett.
I'm not bright, nor intelligent. Who says you need be, to become hag of the hills?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Not interested, sorry.
You're not intelligent enough to leave me alone, so I don't care.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I'm not bright, nor intelligent. Who says you need be, to become hag of the hills?
Go away.
Jeremy Falcon
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Not interested, sorry.
Oops. Now you are in trouble.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Her name is Tiffany, and you might want to read Pratchett.
I had to look that up. I never read too many of those.
The problem with series is that they seem to get repetitive after a while. And that is from someone that often buys books because it is a series.
Unfortunately for me I also don't care for humorous or whimsical books either. I like happy endings but I need to be wondering if it will work out that way or not.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: nor intelligent
I am intelligent enough to know that there is a very vast amount of knowledge that I can never learn. Probably at least some of it that I could not understand even if I tried.
I always assume that from everyone that there is probably something that I can learn from them. Seems to be working so far.
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jschell wrote: The problem with series is that they seem to get repetitive after a while. And that is from someone that often buys books because it is a series.
I haven't by far read all Pratchett's books, but from all what I read, I didn't find it repetitive.
jschell wrote: Unfortunately for me I also don't care for humorous or whimsical books either.
then do not read Discworld serie
jschell wrote: I am intelligent enough to know that there is a very vast amount of knowledge that I can never learn.
I only know that I know nothing?
jschell wrote: Probably at least some of it that I could not understand even if I tried.
Probably? Something? I am 100% sure that there is always things that we will never understand, noone can know/understand everything.
jschell wrote: I always assume that from everyone that there is probably something that I can learn from them.
My father told me something similar but with the goal of treating people respectful "Do not underestimate anyone, even the cleaning guy can teach you how a broom is used properly". So yes, there is always something to learn from anyone. The only challenge is to find it and to see if it is something worth to be learnt or not.
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Nelek wrote: then do not read Discworld serie
Too late. I believe I read about 4 of them way back when there were far fewer of them.
Nelek wrote: I am 100% sure that there is always things that we will never understand,
Not "we", but rather 'me'. When I come across articles (not pop but scientific) on differences in current string theory I try to understand but get lost almost immediately.
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What topics would you find sufficiently stimulating to spend time on?
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That's a very insightful question.
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Any topic really. If you find someone who isn't irrational, actually intelligent, and so on... everything becomes interesting. If they're clowns (regardless if they think they're smart) then it's just repetitive diatribe when exploring anything of substance.
Jeremy Falcon
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OK, but without any indication of interests. It is difficult to judge if selected topics will be engaging enough. So here is a random one from my open list of "things I have come across"
What do you think about the medical use of Phages to treat antibiotic resistant bacteria?
Is it taking medical science back to the age of blood letting or is it a magical cure that only our current level of technology has made practical?
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What do you have in mind, when you utter the words "intelligent people"?
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Needing intelligent conversation is why I talk to myself.
"Mistakes are prevented by Experience. Experience is gained by making mistakes."
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