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I used to be active on NetNews (aka. Usenet). I didn't give it up; it was more like NetNews itself gave up ... I read a while ago about someone trying to bring it back to life, but I doubt that they will succeed.
In my youth, several of my friends (and myself) used the mail service - the original, dead trees based one - to exchange opinions, telling about our activities and such, photocopied to all the others. That died out, too. I think I was the last one to mail out anything to the group, but as the reactions ceased, or I got a two-line private (not to the group) response to a three page letter, I quit.
When dead tree mail was replaced with email, we used mailing lists within a few social groups for a few more years. We had increasing problems with some group members knowing nothing about the things we were discussing, invitation to meatings and such. When we ran into those 'deaf' ones (which were increasing in numbers) and asked, the common response was 'I almost never open my email any more - could you rather send me an SMS?'
Of course some wanted us to use FB. One of my work mates felt such responsibility for my 'social' life that since I was not on FB, he all the time tried to bring me into the real life, dragging med over to his screen to show me all his new FB postings, and the comments from all his friends.
Years ago, people tried to drag me into Second Life. I was somewhat fascinated by their technology: Considering the typical internet line speeds at the time, they managed to create an graphic, interactive UI of impressing quality. The 'social' aspects failed to fascinate me to any significant degree. As far as I know, SL still exists, but I never got around to joining it.
Now, FB seems to be on the decline; I would be coming too late to the party. Over the years, there has been a constant flow of reports of censorship, political manipulation and spying on everybody's private lives that has kept me at a distance.
I honestly haven't been attracted to any 'social', public net forum since the days of NetNews. My main reason for following CP is to pick up programming and computer info. I do recognize the signatures of several of the active posters, but I do not consider The Lounge a place for meeting 'friends' in any way that resembles meeting real friends in real, physical life.
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My wife threw me out a few years ago. We're together but don't live together. I'm in a band and that's it. I'd prefer more IRL connection but it's not there
Usenet? I was active there in the 90s
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This might be fun.
Like an anecdote in a live TV show many years ago in Spain. One of the guests (important writer and owner of one of the letters of the "Real academia de la lengua española") was closing the eyes and balancing the head, the moderator tried to tease him...
- Moderator: Mr. Cela, are you sleeping?
- Guest: No, I was "slept" **
** correct traduction would be asleep, but in spanish we use the same word "dormido" for both the adjective and the perfect tense
- Moderator: Are they not the same?
- Guest: Of course not, is it for you "to be fvcking" the same as "to be fvcked"?
- Moderator: (idiotic face and no words)
M.D.V. 
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Do you have your potato? 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Wonderful Terry Pratchett reference, and that's The Truth! 
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Like, keep this on the downlow until you guys snag it. Real talk.
Jeremy Falcon
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Docker Desktop generates random container names if you don't supply one. I'm trying to get CodeProject.AI Server running on the Jetson Nano so decided to speed things up with an Ubuntu 18.04 / CUDA 10.2 Docker container.
The autogenerated name: epic_payne
I honestly couldn't have picked a better one. (It's not going well).
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Agree with this, in the initial part of one's career.
More often than not, I've seen youngsters with a lackadaisical attitude, as though "I've got a job; so I can relax", and in some cases, "I have nothing more to learn" kind of attitude.
This is not good in the beginning of one's career, and this is what he's implying here. Youngsters need to work hard to build the nation, since India is still termed as a "developing country".
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Amarnath S wrote: More often than not, I've seen youngsters with a lackadaisical attitude, as though "I've got a job; so I can relax", and in some cases, "I have nothing more to learn" kind of attitude.
Seen that in the United States too.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Seen that in the United States too. 
And in a couple of countries in Europe too.
Heck in Spain we even call the the "ni-ni" (the neither-nor) generation: Neither job nor lust to work.
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Nelek wrote: in Spain we even call the the "ni-ni" (the neither-nor) generation: Neither job nor lust to work.
I thought ni-ni is for "neither studying, nor employed" (ni estudian, ni trabajan). Not sure it's something of their choosing.
Mircea
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It started like that, but both are used (although yours is more extended).
The point is they stay at home playing e-games or go out to hook with friends and get high.
Big % have neither motivation nor ambition to do something productive with their lives.
They even joke saying "live from your parents until you can live from your kids" like an ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) parasite.
Mircea Neacsu wrote: Not sure it's something of their choosing.
That's what it makes me get angry, that I know some guys that really want to work, but can't find anything for the long term. On the other hand, in my old town those are the very small minority.
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Nelek wrote: live from your parents until you can live from your kids
A cute, unrelated (or only vaguely related) story about Jose Antonio Torroja who happened to be the son of a very famous civil engineer, Eduardo Torroja, and the father of Ana Torroja of Mecano fame. Apparently, Jose Antonio said that he went from being the son of his father to the father of his daughter. Of course, he was talking only about fame, as professionally he was a well-respected university professor. I guess there are different ways of skipping a generation 
Mircea
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In the town where my mother was born (last two pics[^]) I still am the grandson of my grandpa (he founded the local music band), no matter how far did I get.
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Amarnath S wrote: Youngsters need to work hard to build the nation, since India is still termed as a "developing country".
So is the idea then that you'll eventually reach a point where an employer says "ok, we're developed enough now, you can ease off a bit and no longer have to work yourselves to death"?
I'm in Canada. As far as I've been told, this is a developed country. If employers could get us to put in more hours, if it weren't for those pesky labor laws, most absolutely would put us through the ringer without hesitation. So don't think you'll be done when you're no longer "developing".
I work to live. I don't live to work.
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dandy72 wrote: employer
I don't think he is talking from the point of an employer. He is implying a dedication, kind of sacrifice, in building the nation; akin to the way most of the European countries and Japan were built by the young people there, after the War.
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Well then he needs to say it as such, 'cuz what I heard (too) is "make me richer, damnit!"
That being said, I do agree that younger workers need to prove themselves, and those who choose to be slackers from the get-go will never get anywhere - and deservedly so.
But as I wrote elsewhere, you also have to have to ability to recognize when an employer is just taking advantage of a naive workforce.
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Need to add one more thing.
There is a vision at the national level to have the next generation Microsofts, Googles, Amazons, etc. to be run out of India. We are the most populous nation in the world, with a large young population, and certainly have the brains to achieve that. We need to raise ourselves from being an outsourcing shop to product-definition place, for yet-to-be-uncovered products. And this definitely needs dedication in a good percentage of our youngsters. This is what he's implying. Even if this takes the next 20 years, we should start NOW.
modified 31-Oct-23 10:40am.
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Just make sure you get your fair share of Microsoft, Google and Amazon's good fortunes.
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Amarnath S wrote: We need to raise ourselves from being an outsourcing shop to product-definition place, for yet-to-be-uncovered products. And this definitely needs dedication in a good percentage of our youngsters.
To do that you don't really need the youngs to work 70 hours, you need a change of mindset and work philosophy. The time I worked there (local production of european brands), I was   a couple of times a day (during a couple of years). People that you didn't have to guide them every step and even several times in the same step were reaaaaaalllyyy difficult to find.
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I can be dedicated and driven in 40 hours, thank you very much.
You're not "nation building" by working for a demanding a**hole like that. You're wealth building, and not for yourself.
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Respectfully agree to disagree.
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You might be wrong.
I'm an employer and I'd rather have well rested and happy employees than overworked employees.
I even prefer for them to have a four day work week and put in no more than the necessary eight hours a day, unless it's absolutely necessary.
Work from home for at least half the time and flexible work hours is not a problem.
More hours == more work is pretty outdated, and countries like Japan, where people generally make long hours, show the contrary.
Of course, some of these things are not applicable for factory workers and other professions.
Anyway, even for those professions, if I had a boss like that I'd be out as soon as I got a chance.
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