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Cp-Coder10-May-23 3:08

Cp-Coder

10-May-23 3:08

I would buy a Dell XPS. I have bought dozens of Dells over the years for myself, family members and a former employer. I have never been disappointed. I know the Dell XPS desktops are a bit expensive, but they are well worth the price. If you buy directly from Dell, you can configure your purchase on their website and they will build it to your specs. It works great!

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modified 10-May-23 9:25am.

Jeremy Falcon10-May-23 3:21

Jeremy Falcon

10-May-23 3:21

The age-old question... What do you value more, your time or your money?

If it were me, I haven't used a desktop in a looooooong time. You can get gaming laptops now that are beefy enough to do most things. Ironically, I wouldn't use one for gaming, but for photoshop, CAD, etc. they do great. Just buy one and be done with it. Can't say which brand I'd recommend, but I can say don't get a Gigabyte Aero laptop. It's always been wonky for me and the vents make it so you can't close the lid while using it.

If you used to build PCs for years back in the day and you want to go desktop, not much has changed. Really. Sure, instead of IDE or SATA drives you go NVMe, etc. these days. But, the basic principles are still the same, except for some reason everything comes with LED lights now. Laugh | :laugh:

If you've never really got into the building part then just buy one. But, as nerds, we all know you'll never get the exact bang for your buck or configuration you really want with a prebuilt one.

But, if you know you're about to get the job, then just buying one will free up some time to help prep for the job. Only person that can say which is most important or how much time you got is you man.

Anywho, unless you're a gamer ironically, getting a gaming laptop is plenty powerful enough to do your work.

Jeremy Falcon

Roger Wright10-May-23 15:47

10-May-23 15:47

I get the point, Jeremy - I'm cramming and jamming to become an expert on microgrids with solar and diesel generation installed at a remote location. Time is rather precious right now.

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Jeremy Falcon10-May-23 18:52

Jeremy Falcon

10-May-23 18:52

Noice. Here’s to rocking the gig and bringing the awesome. Beer | [beer]

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Dan Neely10-May-23 3:23

Dan Neely

10-May-23 3:23

GamersNexus has reviewed a lot of pre-built gaming PCs over the last few years. A lot of them have been either crippled with bloatware, or catastrophically bad cooling.

IF you go with a GPUless system you'll probably be OK as long as you do a clean OS install. Otherwise I'd suggest finding something they reviewed that actually had non-screwed up cooling or being willing to do fan swaps or a full system transplant to a new case if needed.

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Cp-Coder10-May-23 3:35

Cp-Coder

10-May-23 3:35

Regardless of what you do or buy, if you were to do a clean install, and IF the machine has a NVMe system drive, you may run into an issue where the Windows 11 installer does not have drivers for NVMe drives.

See here:

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modified 10-May-23 10:11am.

Single Step Debugger10-May-23 4:02

Single Step Debugger

10-May-23 4:02

I build my desktop PC's but, in your case, I'll second a laptop with a docking station. You may have to go onsite. Also, you will use it for a real work, so you need something robust. You sound like you're not looking forward to the hassle of building a new machine.

So, as it was mentioned - Dell Inspiron is a good choice and even XPS if you want to treat yourself. And if you want a portable workstation then XPS-17(or another laptop with 17" screen).

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honey the codewitch10-May-23 4:17

honey the codewitch

10-May-23 4:17

I hand built my system. It's a lot more difficult than it used to be.

Check the specs on everything to make sure for example, that your ram clears your cpu cooler, and your coolers fit in your case, that kind of thing.

Also power and heat. Systems are pushing thermal limits these days, so it's not uncommon to find even commercial PCs running on liquid now.

Mine is an air cooled system - maybe the last air cooled desktop I'll own for the foreseeable future.

I had to downgrade from my target CPU and I played it safe and got a 4080 instead of a 4090 GPU.

I also dumped a ton of money on Noctua fans and slaved over my cooling situation until it was all as perfect as I could get it.

I'm happy with the machine but I never want to do this again.

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Roger Wright10-May-23 16:10

10-May-23 16:10

That's the fun part! I check and double check everything - even though ATX is supposed to be a standard, not every manufacturer obeys it. I buy cases that have more fan mounting locations than the motherboard can support. I buy motherboards that have more RAM slots than I expect to need. I get a better CPU than anything I run really needs. Overkill is always the order of the day. Recently I had to do some upgrades; I installed a new monitor after breaking an old one ( never attempt to re-assemble a Colt .45 ACP Model 1911 whilst sitting in front of the display ) when a spring-driven part went through it. I wish I'd taken a picture of the quite colorful but useless display afterwards, and had Hunter Biden sell it for me. Anyway, the new display whined constantly about having the wrong resolution set, so I upgraded the video card to one that can handle it. Turns out that my PC can't handle that much data flow, and I have to reduce the setting for it to function at all. Curiously, this card doesn't have an integral fan, and doesn't need one! It works great without extra cooling!

I might even keep this one as a file server and build something new. I actually enjoy it, but the learning curve on this job is huge. I've read thousands of pages of equipment manuals during the past week, pored over site plans and design documents, and just acquired today another 15 - 20 thick documents I haven't even unzipped yet. Time is becoming precious - just a trip to the jobsite is a four-hour round trip. I've not heard of Noctua fans; why do you prefer them?

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honey the codewitch10-May-23 20:37

honey the codewitch

10-May-23 20:37

Noctua fans are very quiet, move a lot of air per noise/RPM, and last forever.

They are overengineered monsters. I don't know a single person that has them that doesn't love them.

The only downside is they can get spendy, but it's one of those products where you'll be reminded of where the money went.

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Nelek11-May-23 9:00

11-May-23 9:00

I am pretty happy with my BeQuiet! setup. I haven't got the fans to high speed yet, not even with 3 LoTRO instances, 2 VM Instances, around 15 browser tabs, a couple of office apps, a zoom conference and something else all at once.

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Nelek11-May-23 9:02

11-May-23 9:02

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abmv10-May-23 5:04

abmv

10-May-23 5:04

Caveat Emptor.

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Nelek10-May-23 10:22

10-May-23 10:22

After HP, Lenovo is the second one I would not buy if I have another possibility. I have had several in my hands (some of them from family / relatives to repair / configure something) and I didn't like it.
They might be good machines, but I am not comfortable with them.

M.D.V.

kmoorevs11-May-23 4:07

kmoorevs

11-May-23 4:07

Nelek wrote:
Lenovo is the second one I would not buy

My current system is a 3 y/o lenovo ideacenter tower that I bought on impulse off the shelf locally. I was really disappointed when I pulled the cover...very little room for upgrades/expansion as there are only 2 SATA headers and memory maxes out at 2x8GB! Sigh | :sigh:

The spinner was swapped for SSD immediately and fresh Win10 pro installed.

While the system generally performs OK, it starts getting sluggish when available memory drops below 2GB. Debugging some ASP.Net apps is excruciating as it may take up to 10 minutes to startup from a simple edit! (and of course Edit and Continue almost never works, so stop, edit, start, and wait for another 10 minutes! Mad | :mad:

(sometimes I miss the simplicity of classic ASP!) Laugh | :laugh:

I'm already in the mindset of replacing it now, and leaning towards the build camp after this last experience.

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Roger Wright10-May-23 16:12

10-May-23 16:12

I'll look into it, though I have never liked Lenovo since IBM spun it off.

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Gerry Schmitz10-May-23 5:12

Gerry Schmitz

10-May-23 5:12

For "field work", I can't see using a desktop or standard laptop; I'd be for a "Toughbook" with all the obscure port options, etc. Extra monitor.

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jschell10-May-23 5:51

jschell

10-May-23 5:51

Roger Wright wrote:
but I'm getting older and getting the configuration just right isn't quite as fun as it used to be.

Not to mention the time it will take.

Roger Wright wrote:
I anticipate doing a lot of administrative stuff, along with a bunch of graphics-intensive AutoCAD things and computation-intense electrical system simulation functions.

Plus presumably things like sensitive data management, back ups etc.

You might want to also decide who is going to own the equipment. Presumably you will move on at some point and someone else will replace you but the work product will presumably still belong to them. So if it is their equipment it makes that part of it easier.

If it is their equipment then they would also be paying maintenance. With a standard maintenance support using a standard build is going to be easier. Also easier to replace it if that is needed.

Additionally that still leaves you the option to build your own personal PC. You do not necessarily need to 'build' it fully of course. Either custom design it fully or by something basic and perhaps upgrade a couple of things.

Nelek10-May-23 10:25

10-May-23 10:25

jschell wrote:
If it is their equipment then they would also be paying maintenance. With a standard maintenance support using a standard build is going to be easier. Also easier to replace it if that is needed.

Good point.
I have had several brands during the years and the best "gold" support in my experience was the one from DELL, sadly I am using HP due to company policy since 2015.

M.D.V.

Roger Wright10-May-23 16:20

10-May-23 16:20

Good points, all. But this will be "my" computer; I will do company things with it, but that will be kept isolated from my stuff. Heck, they haven't even designated a place for my office, and when they do I'll get equipment that's to their standards, if they have any. These good people are really in the infancy of creating a real utility, and I'm hoping to help them to build it into something that will serve their tribe for decades. If they have no standards in place, I'll help them to create them.

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Rick York10-May-23 12:03

Rick York

10-May-23 12:03

You first need to decide whether you want a desktop machine or a laptop. If all your work will be done in one place then a desktop be OK but how likely is that really? I use a lot machines that are classified as "gaming laptops" and they work really well for me. I like 17-inch displays because the pixel density is better for old eyes like mine. The main things that makes them a "gaming laptop" are fast displays and a good GPU. The CPUs are usually pretty good in them also. After I broke my last laptop I bought a new one and it's a pretty good machine. It's an Aorus which is made by Gigabyte. At work we have dozens of MSI gaming laptops and they work really well for us. I would highly recommend both of those brands. You could always get a decent-sized monitor to use with it if you want a bigger display and LCD monitors are reasonably portable. With a mid to higher end laptop there is very, very little they can not do. I also do CUDA programming so I get them with Nvidia GPUs and they are quite capable. I have a 3080 GPU in my work and home laptops and it is very nice. 3D graphics are no problem at all for them.

The last desktop machine I bought was pre-built because GPU prices were obscene when I got it. It was like I bought a GPU and they threw a computer in on the deal. I would probably not advocate for a desktop machine though because it really limits your mobility for no good reason that I can think of since laptops are so capable these days.

Incidentally, with the nature of our work, we find the lighted keyboards to be really, really useful. I wouldn't want a machine without one now.

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Roger Wright10-May-23 16:25

10-May-23 16:25

This is going to be a replacement for my home PC, so it's going to be a desktop. But I do have a decent laptop for use when travelling, and I'm not opposed to upgrading that, either. Our own Honey the Codewitch turned me on the Daskeyboard series lighted keyboards, btw, and I love the thing. I will definitely be getting another when I buy/build the next machine!

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charlieg11-May-23 1:53

charlieg

11-May-23 1:53

build all the way.... I have seen so many shortcuts made by Dell, HP, etc I swore never again. The machine I built 10 years ago is still thundering along in my daughter's bedroom. Glancing to my left at my Ryzen 9 desktop server, it's been thundering along on Windows 10 for 4+ years and has never crashed once. Since I suspect you are not building a gaming rig, you just need a good chassis, SSDs, a good power supply and a motherboard perhaps with a built in graphics chip, though I would argue for a standalone.

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Roger Wright11-May-23 16:52

11-May-23 16:52

I configured one last night at Newegg that should last me another ten years, I think - about $3500 though. I may rethink that a bit before I pull the trigger...

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