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trΓΈnderen wrote: You make it sound as if there is no place in this world for anyone who lets quality come ahead of profits. Or for that sake, let anything come ahead of profits.
What I said specifically said was "into the practical for the current programming age?"
That is defined by businesses. The vast, vast majority of software development occurs within that domain.
And businesses succeed by making profit. They die if they do not.
Certainly Wirth's view was different to business since he was a professor at Universities for the vast majority of his professional career. And yes university professors can certainly make claims about elegant code. And spend time investigating it.
trΓΈnderen wrote: That reminds me of the old saying that "A capitalist is a man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing".
Just to provide the context that saying first appeared in a play by Oscar Wilde who was not brought up in a poor family.
Myself I like getting a paycheck every month. And the vast majority of people do. Indeed world wide there is a vast social strife that occurs when people do not get it and/or get less than what they feel that they should.
And that comes about because they want to buy things with the money which that provides.
So certainly many people do think that businesses provide value.
Certainly if a business decided to stop paying their employees for a month so the employees could make the software code more 'elegant' I suspect there would be problems.
modified 15-Jan-23 13:42pm.
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Rather exaggerated! Quite.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Well, in 2015 Wirth was 81, maybe a little 'out of time'.
His 'A Plea for Lean Software', however, is dated 1995.
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?"
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A drone. Big wow.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
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Apollo was nothing without Starbuck.
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another groan!
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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Can anyone suggest why nearly all my innocuous comments or replies are initially flagged up as potential spam? Is this some dumb "AI" at work? If it is, it needs to properly retrained, methinks!
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I can't, but I have approved several.
Just be patient maybe?
And maybe post more thought-provoking messages rather than "innocuous" ones.
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By "innocuous" I meant "not offensive". Can you tell me what was potentially spammish about the comments I have made so far? It's almost as if I have been tagged as some sort of trouble maker, which I would deeply resent if that is the case.
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I find "innocuous" offensive.
Nope, nothing spammy in them that I recall. Just maybe not enough reputation points earned yet.
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Inoculated, yes. multiple times. Oh, wait. No harm!!!
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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The spam filters here take a little time to recognise that you are not a spammer. The more comments that get accepted the sooner it will realise that you are OK, and let all messages pass. Just be patient.
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