|
Laden, which could at least mean both 
|
|
|
|
|
If it makes you feel any better in 40 years we'll either all be moaning about how Mandarin has become the new lingua franca, or have a doubt about how Indian English displaced the American version. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
|
|
|
|
|
In 40 years time, It'll my grandchildren's problem (if my daughters present me with any).
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
|
|
|
|
|
That's what happens when you win a major conflict (WWII) and then spend your resources rebuilding the conflict zone (Europe).
|
|
|
|
|
That's what I wanted to say but couldn't think of a not-smug or not-snarky way to do it.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
|
|
|
|
|
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: ...English (in its corrupt USian form)
Hey, them's fightin' words!
Our English is a variety of natural evolutions of British English, not a corruption.
Now, our politicians, on the other hand...
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
|
|
|
|
|
TNCaver wrote: Our English is a variety of natural evolutions of British English
That was true up until the last few decades, when US English started following its own path. When speaking to USian colleagues, there are times when I must pause for a moment until I realize what they meant. That doesn't usually happen with other native English speakers.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
|
|
|
|
|
It appears translations are not done by native speakers or someone who knows Dutch but not technical terms. What do you think of laden verdeler? How about customer key as klant sleutel (customer key)? Do you use hoofdsleutel in all tables? Ah, the joys.
I work for software where I have option to switch to any language from a long list. I try Dutch often and find this all the time - some English words and some Dutch.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
|
|
|
|
|
|
Wow, note to self - do not learn new Dutch words by changing language in apps. Stick to dedicated resources.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
|
|
|
|
|
dan!sh wrote: Do you use hoofdsleutel in all tables
I do.
There's no problem, since the same idea exists in both labguages.
The problem is when they translate titles.
..and the reason why I want students to learn "English" as their first programming language.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
|
|
|
|
|
Back in the 80s, I saw hardware translated to French as quincaillerie.
modified 30-Aug-22 8:13am.
|
|
|
|
|
Very similar to all youtube video titles being automatically translated (for a couple of months now) into my native language, without any option to cancel it. What a poor design...
|
|
|
|
|
Yeah, I've seen that too!
Translate well or don't translate at all, it's just not right 
|
|
|
|
|
Seems the Dutch is closer to my concepts of Azure.
Quote: abonnementen
Abandon me!Quote: opslagaccounts
Oops we lost your accounts!Quote: sleutelkluis
Won't even touch that one!
|
|
|
|
|
It seems that the wise decided that artificial 'intelligence' is at the level to take over...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
|
|
|
|
|
Sander Rossel wrote: I've noticed many websites and services are translating to Dutch.
French-Canadian here, living in Ontario.
I despise having to use the French version of Windows. Or even just using a French keyboard where everything but the A-Z keys have been remapped to complete non-sense locations.
Quote: The Terminator is suddenly listed as "De uitroeier" and Star Wars is now called "De sterrenoorlogen
When I learned French in elementary school, I remember being told you never, ever translate proper nouns. Yet (pet peeve of mine) stuff coming out of the province of Quebec (where the majority speaks French) constantly break that rule. The belief over there, as I understand it, is that if you learn English, your knowledge of French will mysteriously drip out of your ears.
Pope Benedict was known as "Benoit XVI". Because "Benedict" sounds too English, y'know? Well, no, it's actually derived from the latin Benedictus. So you've managed to make yourself look like a fool in the process.
Beijing is still being called Pékin. I guess they never got the memo from decades ago. I suppose it sounds too English? Well, no, it's Chinese.
They insist on spelling Vladimir Putin's last name as "Poutine", which is French fries served with cheese curds and brown gravy. "Putin" in French is slang for hooker, but if only they pronounced it like Putin himself does, nobody but the most childish idiots would even make the connection.
They get bent out of shape when someone mispronounces "Quebec" (how disrespectful!) but they go the extra mile at every opportunity to dump all over anything that isn't French. Then claim they're the most tolerant province in Canada.
Sorry, I'm sure I had a point to make...
|
|
|
|
|
dandy72 wrote: They get bent out of shape when someone mispronounces "Quebec"
When I was learning the phonetic alphabet in college many years ago, our tutor insisted it was pronounced "Kibbik".
|
|
|
|
|
Us Europeans hate the French for the exact same reasons 
That said, the English call Den Haag The Hague, which sounds nothing like Den Haag...
And we translate names too.
For example, Hermoine Granger (from Harry Potter) is known as Hermelien Griffel over here (which would translate back to something as "Ermine Scribe", which is way better than the original).
In fact, I prefer the Dutch Harry Potter over the English one because it's just so well translated.
Diagon alley is Wegisweg, which translates to Road-is-gone (road and gone are the same word in Dutch).
The United States is De Verenigde Staten (which is a literal translation), Finland is also Finland in Dutch, but Suomi in Finnish (so why don't we call it Suomi too?).
I don't think we do it often, but we do it.
|
|
|
|
|
Thank you all for a lively and entertaining discussion in which I learned more Dutch words than in all my travels through your land.
I'm still left with one question (I had it from the times I went to Netherlands): why to you guys insist on using Dutch? I haven't found anybody who speaks less than perfect English and very few who don't have a very good command of French. I'm told that a lot speak also German or Spanish.
So why the Dutch? Is it just to have a secret language to use between yourselves, some kind of Khuzdul of the flat lands? And in that case why publish English-Dutch dictionaries? Was that the work of a traitor who let the inner names escape? 
Mircea
|
|
|
|
|
That's funny, I know many Dutch who are terrible at English.
Especially older people.
Even I wouldn't be able to fully and fluently express myself in an English conversation, even when I read and write it daily.
I don't know where you heard about French and German, but that's a lie.
We get both in school, but we forget both as soon as we passed (or dropped) the subject
We know some words and sentences, but that's about it.
Although more people speak German than French, especially near the border (of course).
Je m'apelle Sander Rossel 
ICH BIN SANDER ROSSEL!!! 
That's about as good as my French and German are going to get 
|
|
|
|
|
Sander Rossel wrote: Je m'apelle Sander Rossel
ICH BIN SANDER ROSSEL!!!
German sounds so angry...you're not helping with stereotypes...
|
|
|
|
|
dandy72 wrote: German sounds so angry
At least not in Bavaria region. I found it very singy-songy. The hello itself is a give away.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
|
|
|
|
|
Mircea Neacsu wrote: Was that the work of a traitor who let the inner names escape?
They burn him/her/it in effigy every New Year's Eve. It's their equivalent of the UK's Guy Fawkes Night
Mircea Neacsu wrote: Is it just to have a secret language to use between yourselves
Every country needs a local language that the tourists don't understand. How else are the locals going to comment on the stupidity, unreasonableness, etc. of the tourists without offending them?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
|
|
|
|
|
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Every country needs a local language that the tourists don't understand.
Now here's a question: what would Americans use for all those stupid and rude Europeans... wait a sec... something is wrong
Mircea
|
|
|
|
General 
News 
Suggestion 
Question 
Bug 
Answer 
Joke 
Praise 
Rant 
Admin 
Submit an article or tip
