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Sander Rossel wrote: I've noticed many websites and services are translating to Dutch.
French-Canadian here, living in Ontario.
I despise having to use the French version of Windows. Or even just using a French keyboard where everything but the A-Z keys have been remapped to complete non-sense locations.
Quote: The Terminator is suddenly listed as "De uitroeier" and Star Wars is now called "De sterrenoorlogen
When I learned French in elementary school, I remember being told you never, ever translate proper nouns. Yet (pet peeve of mine) stuff coming out of the province of Quebec (where the majority speaks French) constantly break that rule. The belief over there, as I understand it, is that if you learn English, your knowledge of French will mysteriously drip out of your ears.
Pope Benedict was known as "Benoit XVI". Because "Benedict" sounds too English, y'know? Well, no, it's actually derived from the latin Benedictus. So you've managed to make yourself look like a fool in the process.
Beijing is still being called Pékin. I guess they never got the memo from decades ago. I suppose it sounds too English? Well, no, it's Chinese.
They insist on spelling Vladimir Putin's last name as "Poutine", which is French fries served with cheese curds and brown gravy. "Putin" in French is slang for hooker, but if only they pronounced it like Putin himself does, nobody but the most childish idiots would even make the connection.
They get bent out of shape when someone mispronounces "Quebec" (how disrespectful!) but they go the extra mile at every opportunity to dump all over anything that isn't French. Then claim they're the most tolerant province in Canada.
Sorry, I'm sure I had a point to make...
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dandy72 wrote: They get bent out of shape when someone mispronounces "Quebec"
When I was learning the phonetic alphabet in college many years ago, our tutor insisted it was pronounced "Kibbik".
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Us Europeans hate the French for the exact same reasons 
That said, the English call Den Haag The Hague, which sounds nothing like Den Haag...
And we translate names too.
For example, Hermoine Granger (from Harry Potter) is known as Hermelien Griffel over here (which would translate back to something as "Ermine Scribe", which is way better than the original).
In fact, I prefer the Dutch Harry Potter over the English one because it's just so well translated.
Diagon alley is Wegisweg, which translates to Road-is-gone (road and gone are the same word in Dutch).
The United States is De Verenigde Staten (which is a literal translation), Finland is also Finland in Dutch, but Suomi in Finnish (so why don't we call it Suomi too?).
I don't think we do it often, but we do it.
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Thank you all for a lively and entertaining discussion in which I learned more Dutch words than in all my travels through your land.
I'm still left with one question (I had it from the times I went to Netherlands): why to you guys insist on using Dutch? I haven't found anybody who speaks less than perfect English and very few who don't have a very good command of French. I'm told that a lot speak also German or Spanish.
So why the Dutch? Is it just to have a secret language to use between yourselves, some kind of Khuzdul of the flat lands? And in that case why publish English-Dutch dictionaries? Was that the work of a traitor who let the inner names escape? 
Mircea
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That's funny, I know many Dutch who are terrible at English.
Especially older people.
Even I wouldn't be able to fully and fluently express myself in an English conversation, even when I read and write it daily.
I don't know where you heard about French and German, but that's a lie.
We get both in school, but we forget both as soon as we passed (or dropped) the subject
We know some words and sentences, but that's about it.
Although more people speak German than French, especially near the border (of course).
Je m'apelle Sander Rossel 
ICH BIN SANDER ROSSEL!!! 
That's about as good as my French and German are going to get 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Je m'apelle Sander Rossel
ICH BIN SANDER ROSSEL!!!
German sounds so angry...you're not helping with stereotypes...
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dandy72 wrote: German sounds so angry
At least not in Bavaria region. I found it very singy-songy. The hello itself is a give away.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: Was that the work of a traitor who let the inner names escape?
They burn him/her/it in effigy every New Year's Eve. It's their equivalent of the UK's Guy Fawkes Night
Mircea Neacsu wrote: Is it just to have a secret language to use between yourselves
Every country needs a local language that the tourists don't understand. How else are the locals going to comment on the stupidity, unreasonableness, etc. of the tourists without offending them?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Every country needs a local language that the tourists don't understand.
Now here's a question: what would Americans use for all those stupid and rude Europeans... wait a sec... something is wrong
Mircea
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Sander Rossel wrote: 12 Angry Men, translated as The 12 Jurors
Now, why would they go and do that? It changes the whole meaning of the title.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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To be fair, the men are jurors.
Except in the Dutch title they could be happy, anxious, or anything else but angry 
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Well sure, the men are jurors and nearly the complete cast. But it's the fact that they are all angry (except for Henry Fonda's character, so really it should have been 11 angry men lol) and ready to immediately convict based on their assumptions about the accused without deliberation that gives the film and play its name.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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...as the language for teaching newcomers? That what they did at my daughter's school...
She asked me if it is a good one - I told it is, to not to confuse her, but to be honest I'm not sure of it entirely...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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I have no problem with the basic language (it's similar to Java), but recent changes appear to be mostly syntactic sugar. If I were teaching the language, I would leave those out until the students were competent in the basics.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Was thinking exactly about that - how to build the lessons...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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It's possible to set the C# language version on the project, version 7.0 should provide a good baseline for students.
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I use LangVersion 3, I'd still with that.
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Seems like a reasonable choice to me, comparable or better compared to common alternatives (Java or C++).
As long as it gets taught in "C-like C# first, fancy things after" kind of order, and doesn't immediately start to confuse with too much "magic".
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I used it to teach programming to an Art Major (female), and to both my boys that have mathematical minds.
All 3 are developers now and do very well in several other languages.
The result was that they learned well what they should and should not do in programming because it really takes away (C# does) the good-programmer responsibility of not doing stupid stuff like accessing linked lists with modify before addressing the possibility of collisions.
Having said that, I think the basis and the simple things need to be learned first, not matter what the language.
Beginning with concepts that would allow the student translate their programming logic to any other language is paramount to their formation.
My two bits.
Tony G.
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I'd say yes - it makes pretty sure the code works before it lets it run (unlike Python), it starts simple, but builds to some incredible power (unlike PHP), and it's a real language (unlike VB).
The error messages and the IDE itself are second to none, and the integrated debugging support is worth it's weight in gold for a beginner.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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I hope they will learn how to use that debugger - I've seen courses where there was not a word about it...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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Show her yourself - she'll spread it round the class ... and maybe the teacher will learn something!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Ahhh memories of 'learning' BBC basic and amazing the Teacher with the trance on or tr. on command... 
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She already has some problems to accept authority of teachers - I would not ride that horse if not necessary...
“Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.”
― Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
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If a so-called teacher doesn't know their subject, they deserve contempt. No one, teachers included, deserves respect merely by virtue of their job title.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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