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I once had to present dates on an 80-character green screen terminal and chose 03Jul22 as the shortest but most understandable form to all countries.
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We use dd-MMM-yy but I still worry it's ambiguous. I played with dd-MMM-'yy to clarify but it just didn't seem right.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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<OldFartWarStory>
I rewrote a part of our application that generated a comma-separated value log for import into Excel. Instead of writing a human-readable date the Excel understand, the previous version wrote an integer. As it turns out, that integer was the number of seconds between January 1, 1900 00:00:00 and today's date at 00:00:00. To make matters worse, the time was a floating point value between 0.0 and 1.0, representing the time of day.
After reverse engineering all this crap, I casually mentioned this to the engineer who used the log. He also took over for someone now departed. He told me that he never understood how the date and time values in the log worked, and didn't pay too much attention to them  . I quietly showed him how to format the columns in the Excel spreadsheet as 'Date' and 'Time', and drank my dinner that evening.
</OldFartWarStory>
Software Zen: delete this;
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Actually he's a sharp guy, he just didn't have a pressing need for the date/time values.
Software Zen: delete this;
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My apologies to your colleague for being presumptuous. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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Oh trust me, there are plenty of engineers here who can create documentation in any app you like, as long as it's Excel .
Software Zen: delete this;
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Chris Maunder wrote: Can we please, each of us, take a quick look at our code and maybe, just maybe, rethink how dates are presented.
I've done this numerous times, and always reached similar conclusions to yours. The problem is ignoranus ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing ![Sunshine | [little ray of sunshine]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/sunshine.gif) clients, who refuse to acknowledge the existence of users from outside the US (in rare cases this has actually been a valid assumption) and insist on formatting it at 07/03 because that's the way they learned while snacking on crayons and paint chips, and anything else is too confusing or too hard or too weird or too...
MM/DD/YY
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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I think your computer may have the Atari Centipede virus.
Beware of spiders, fleas and scorpions!
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I am stateside, and I really encourage people to use:
YYYYMMDD as much as possible. Especially for filename prefixes.
it's awesome, because it sorts wonderfully (sequentially), and is unambiguous.
Having spent a lifetime with Oracle, I use 03-Jul-22 a LOT, as in code comments, etc.
I feel your pain.
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Chris Maunder wrote: 2022-07-03 is universal. Everyone gets that, even SQL.
 I couldn't agree more! This is what I use everywhere I have a choice. As someone else already mentioned, the sorting works with no special effort. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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Perhaps it's because we're conforming to the international standard, ISO 8601, that uses the format yyyy-mm-dd and we just shortened it to mm-dd.
Of course, it might also be that we just don't care, and people who want to use the web sites we build just have to figure out which of the many nonstandard date/time formats we're using. When we really want to piss you off, we also use the English month names, for no better reason than because the site uses English. So don't push us or we'll switch to the Mayan calendar. Grrrr.
Really, if that's the worst complaint you have about AWS, you are a pretty satisfied customer.
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Totally agree! Not only is plain wrong (in my opinion), but is also sooo confusing in many instances. Never mind the arrogance!
And speaking of time, it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck every time I hear the morons speaking of hundreds of hours (never something like 1745 hours!). Is there any other country in the world where the people are so handicaped so they cannot handle numbers up to 24?! And to understand that 17:00 is not 1700, but hours and minutes?! I understand their obsession for war, but nowhere else in the world, when people look at a clock, automatically think of 'military'...
Another issue I have to deal with quite often: paper formats. I own a printer made in Japan and sold in Europe, which for the love of God, refuses to understand that letter format (for example) is something I NEVER need. That is the default! In Europe. Coming from Japan! WHY? And, of course, there is no way to set another format (like A4) as the default! Incomprehensible!
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Another thought on this…
Since Y2K, 4 digit years are standard.
Programmers should start coding all months as THREE digits!
2022-007-18
007/18/2022
18/007/2022
Start with CodeProject.com…
Solved!
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Allowance
for PRO
idea VISION PROVISION
I didn't think that one would last, but I liked it ...
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hmmm, not 8 letters long ...
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We will make an allowance for him this time!
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Yes there are:
P One
R Two
O Three
V Four
I Five
S Six
I Oopsie
O Seven
N Eight
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Ahh I see. No wonder I never got the hang of the metric system.
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Honestly... Not choosing the O for Oopsie????
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Clearly I count differently from you ... 
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There is a COMMON programming problem.
Off By On
Of course, it's harder to understand until you realize the description is suffering from the problem itself,
and is that easy to miss in the code!
Didn't Pascal say ~ "For the purposes of Enumeration, the words assigned to the numbers are meaningless" (or something close about the Base... LOL)
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I'm using a JS script as a plugin for QCP calculator to do some stuff after every change in Quote Edit Lines.
Quote Edit Lines
Now I need to run the part of the script only when user presses Calculate or Save button. The only way I see is to somehow find out in the script, what was the reason of this script to run (did user press Calculate or Save button or did he edit any field so the script started). Script functions have 3 params: quoteLineModels, quoteModel, conn; I've investigated the difference between these objects when user pressed Calculate button and when user edited any field not changing the value (e.g. from 150 to 150) and found no difference
Calculate Immediately
Unchecking Calculate Immediately checkbox in a <<a href="https://hkrtrainings.com/salesforce-cpq-tutorial">a href="">CPQ package settings is not a solution - I need this checkbox for other calculations, not for the scrip
modified 16-Jul-22 3:15am.
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Under the "Welcome to the Lounge" page title, please click on the red "Got a programming question?" link.
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Ask it for it's ID and check it's real.
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