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rnbergren wrote: but hey what do I know
Well you apparently know enough to diagnose others. Don't sell yourself short.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Not sure about the other 'paths' but if you classify narcissists as type-A, arrogant, over-the-top, attention seekers, then I agree that there's way too many of them by any standard.  I seem to be surrounded by them. 
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"Hope is contagious"
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It is a scientific fact that there are more horses asses than there are horses.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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rnbergren wrote: exist in far greater numbers than the medical journals would lead us to believe.
Based on my relationship history, I 100% agree. 
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Aw, you can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that.
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Some of you probably remembered my cat, Pink, ran away last year.
Well, she's been found at a farm about two km away.
We caught her (took us a week) and I brought her home yesterday.
Now my cat Jiji is pretty stressed out about all this.
She's constantly meowing and hissing when she's downstairs.
Pink is hiding under the couch, as she always did, and does absolutely nothing.
I had hoped Jiji could learn Pink to be a little more social.
They better get along soon or it's back to the shelter with Pink
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Use one bowl for water and one bowl for food... They will find a way to share (after a few fights)...
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That's a pretty bad idea - it encourages one cat to dominate the other and eat all the food, even if they end up vomiting it straight back up.
Cats are highly territorial, and getting them to share nicely isn't easy at all.
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Ring the shelter and explain the problem: there are some things that can help this to be resolved, but they do depend on the individual cats.
The shelter will be able to help you - they've done this loads of times before - and can at least tell you when it's time to call it a day and go back to a one-cat household.
There are some pheromone based products which may help calm the atmosphere though - try you local Feliway site. We use them when fireworks are likely, because he gets freaked by them and they calm him down quite well without being sedatives.
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Oh, and how many litter trays do you have? Remember, you need N + 1 litter trays, where N is the number of cats: you should have three in separate rooms.
Toilet facilities are an important resource, and cats will guard them if they can to establish territorial dominance. N + 1 means that's not possible.
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Good to know she's still alive though - hope it all works out! ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
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Do you know how was Pink surviving? As a feral cat? Or living at this farm? Or as a neighborhood cat? Maybe she prefers a different lifestyle.
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Greg Utas wrote: Maybe she prefers a different lifestyle.
My thoughts exactly.
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She stayed in a shed during the day and probably ate the farmer's cat's food at night, which was in another shed.
I think she prefers a humanless lifestyle, which unfortunately isn't really an option in the Netherlands.
Lots of farmers here don't like cats and will poison them.
She probably won't come in villages as she really doesn't like humans.
She lived in an industrial area as a stray.
Her owner, who owned 20+ cats, was a weirdo who didn't take care of them at all.
Most of them were in bad shape, so that wasn't a long term solution either.
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That's unfortunate that farmers will poison cats. You'd think they'd be happy to have the mice and rat population controlled.
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Sander Rossel wrote: probably ate the farmer's cat's food at night
Farmers around here don't feed cats. Farm cats live off of mice and other small rodents.
Sander Rossel wrote: Lots of farmers here don't like cats and will poison them.
...and because they take care of the varmint, farmers have every reason to keep them around. Don't know why farmers around your area try to get rid of them.
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I know of one who doesn't want them because they chase away the birds and she loves birds (especially pheasants).
Can't say for the other farmers, but they'll probably have their reasons.
Maybe they poop in their garden.
Maybe they like cats, just not strays.
Or maybe there just aren't too many mice around here.
I love cats and I'm not a farmer, so I can't say.
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My Grandad was an old fashioned farmer that taught me a fair bit about it. The hands on way.
As a farmer you want cats around, but not to many, or they will become a pest themselves.
My grandpa fed his cats, but never kept more than necessary.
If you don't feed them they don't stay around.
If they're not hungry they don't care to catch any varmint.
It's all about keeping a balance.
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Why did Pink run away in the first place? Since Pink was always hiding under the couch previously there is an underlying problem here that needs to be resolved.
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obermd wrote: that needs to be resolved.
or not resolved. Perhaps Pink prefers to be alone and not domesticated. Sending it back to the farm might be the best choice.
Here in America, and I am sure the world, many cats live happy and productive lives on farms, etc.
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That may in fact be for the best.
I'm first going to see how this works out though.
She probably ran away because the 10+ neighborhood cats chased her off as soon as I let her go outside.
She was just beginning to get used to living here too, that's why I dared to let her outside in the first place.
Slacker007 wrote: Here in America
Here in the Netherlands, cats probably don't even have half the space they get in America.
We're pretty crowded, even in the countryside.
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Sander Rossel wrote: They better get along soon or it's back to the shelter with Pink
Seriously - Pink was doing fine at the farm. Bringing her to the shelter (usually the equivalent of asking for her death) is wrong.
Even if they don't kill off the sheltered cats, why not give her back the freedom she clearly enjoyed (without your help)?
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The shelter doesn't kill her off, but they'll look for a farm that actually wants her.
She may have enjoyed her freedom, she may not have.
Fact is, she was lucky she could stay at this farm that (accidentally) fed her and (accidentally) found her.
I know a farmer nearby who isn't fond of wild cats as they kill the birds (especially pheasants) and she's on a mission to get the pheasant population up.
She won't kill the cat, but she tried to catch her already (to be handed off to a shelter).
People over here just aren't into stray cats and since this is the Netherlands she'll run into people, period.
Best be people who actually want her.
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I'm quite allergic to cats, but if I came across one that could hunt pheasant, I'd want to train it in the way of a falconer, if such a thing is possible. After all, some cats like to bring mice home as offerings, but a cat that brought home pheasant would truly be earning its keep.
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It can take months, or, as when I brought my aunt's 2 cats home, my own two cats and the 2 new cats, it was no problem at all. The first night they all slept on my bed, albeit each in their corner.
Some "who knows if it'll help" suggestions: get them both cat beds and sprinkle catnip on the cat beds. Feed them in separate living spaces. Separate litterboxes. If they like to play with a string, play with each of them so they are focused more on you rather than each other.
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