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hey I read it somewhere it must be true!
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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Agreed, and with the end game being complete chaos, distrust, and never knowing the truth ever.
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If I learned something since I am in (local) responsibilities : telling or not the truth to the mass does not make any difference in the way they react in the end. Sometimes telling the truth makes your caring for them easier, sometimes it is the case by lying, because you win time or avoid lengthy justifications of your acts.
Do not forget that only a very few percentage of people around is able to accept - I do not even dare to write understand - that what is bad for them can be good on a larger scale.
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Certainly in the US, one of the biggest contributors to skepticism came from the white house with claim the vaccine would be ready just before election day. The obvious conclusion is that the FDA (appointees) &etc. would be pressured into cutting corners to meet that demand.
Well, it didn't happen but the damage is done.
Just like the pre-COVID anti-vax movement. Some of these nitwits didn't want their kids vaccinated and, instead, brought them to "parties" where one or more kids with (measles, chickenpox, etc.) was present so could get it "naturally". I wonder if they'll continue that brilliant practice with COVID?
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Surprisingly, Orange Man's timeline wasn't that far off. But the skepticism probably has far more to do with the fact that childhood vaccines have gone from half a dozen shots when I was a kid, to maybe three dozen today. People start to wonder if it's mostly to benefit Big Pharma. Or they look at the incidence of serious allergies, auto-immune diseases, ADHD, and autism, and decide that vaccines are to blame. I think there's actually something to be said for keeping an immune system practiced. The world is now so safe and sterile that too many immune systems get excited about things like animal dander and peanuts.
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Keeping the immune system practiced: my philosophy, too, but then the way the vaccines work is to do just that.
But it's absolutely true that some are being pushed to help out big pharma. The HPV shot, very costly, and no one was getting it - so there was a (fortunately failed) attempt to make it mandatory. At present, they're attempting Plan B: TV Ads that inform you how you must protect your children and extend those who should get the shot to males.
Myself, until the current era, I avoided the flu shot - the disease had little to no effect on me. However, more as a bit of a help in distinguishing it from COVID, I did the dead. Still, the shots are hoped to be 50% effective and rarely exceed that. It's been as low as 15%. Nonetheless, even when that was know it was a 'must'.
There are a lot more of them now - but one less: smallpox. I'm not so sure how good an idea that is. It could be lurking in some animal population just waiting for a chance to find a susceptible human population.
It's really a long term conspiracy in the proper sense of the term: summed up with "follow the money".
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Eventually Balboos, you will have to blame Biden for your frustrations, and not Trump.
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It seems almost impossible to convince those that have been taken in by conspiracy theories. A video released to try to convince the BAME community to get vaccinated, has received dozens of conspiracy theory comments. And everyone of them can be debunked by spending just a couple of minutes looking at reputable sources of news and information. They're just not interested! It disgusts me that these idiots could cost lives, because people will believe the nonsense that they're spreading - and not get vaccinated.
https://youtu.be/b2Ald__AhbI[^]
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5teveH wrote: looking at reputable sources of news and information
Please do us the favor of listing these sources, that we may become as enlightened and educated as you. 
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You are right in every aspect of this except for one:
Those that believe these conspiracies always have, built into the fabric of the conspiracies, warnings about the false information given to attempt to disprove the conspiracy.
It's really a closed system. Version compatibility: closed minds.
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Sad but true. Your Einstein quote nails it. 
Also, (possibly?) from Mark Twain: "It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled"
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I think you have missed my point. 
NY Times has been found guilty of running many fake news stories. So, how can you possibly consider them true and factual. Same with WSJ, Fox News, and many others.
The point is that no news agency is true and factual (left, right, center, etc.). You have no way of knowing that your news source is telling you the truth.
We all want to believe we are being told the truth, and so we believe, to help us sleep at night, and to get through the day, but in the end, we are all being lied to.
Cheers. 
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Oh! I see how this works now! No, not really!  I genuinely thought that by providing links to a number of sources, (including the UK Government's technical document), it would be more convincing than your mate telling you they'd seen something on Farcebook, about the vaccine containing micro-tracking devices!
Of the 5 links I've provided, you pick one that you might be able to cast some doubt on. Yes, I'm sure every newspaper out there has, at some point in time, published a story that is untrue - including the NY Times. But, I'm struggling to see why they would lie about the Covid vaccine being safe!!!  No need to answer that. They're obviously in on it. See. I'm getting the hang of this now! 
Again, not really. I give up. I am more than happy for you to stand aside, whilst I go to the front of the queue to get my life-saving vaccine.
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I'm reminded of Jim Jones, David Koresh, Heaven's Gate, Simon Says.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Koresh may have been a nutcase, but unlike the others, he and his followers were murdered by state goons.
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That concept, itself, fall into the category of conspiracy theories:
Checking in wikipedia:
Quote: the FBI resorted to pumping CS gas into the compound with the aid of an M728 Combat Engineer Vehicle, which was equipped with a battering ram. In the course of the advance, the Mount Carmel Center caught fire under circumstances that are still disputed today. Barricaded inside the building, 79 Branch Davidians perished in the ensuing blaze; 21 of these victims were children under the age of 16.
According to the FBI, Steve Schneider, Koresh's right-hand man, who "probably realized that he was dealing with a fraud," shot and killed Koresh and then committed suicide with the same gun. A second account gave a totally different story: Koresh, then 33, died of a gunshot wound to the head during the course of the fire. No one knows who killed him or if he killed himself. The medical examiner reported 20 people, including five children under the age of 14, had been shot, and a three-year-old had been stabbed in the chest.
In fact, who that survived, inside or out, knows how the fire started? I for one, taking the stabbed child as a rather blatant hint, that the fire was his own flavor of Kool Aid. Supporting this is the lifestyle that was accepted by his followers - zombies ready to obey their messiah. Any who survived from inside the compound are (if they even really saw) of obvious questionable reliability.
But - then - how will we ever really know?
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We'll probably never know, and it was probably gross criminal negliglence, not murder. But after tales of Iraqis yanking babies out of incubators and building WMDs, I'll fade the official explanation. It's almost like "We had to destroy the village to save it."
If you're looking to Wikipedia for an objective opinion on something controversial, forget it. When it comes such topics, it's no more reliable than any other source.
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Greg Utas wrote: If you're looking to Wikipedia for an objective opinion on something controversial, forget it. When it comes such topics, it's no more reliable than any other source.
I'll play devil's advocate:
If that what you believe then why bother with any of them? Just make up what you need to know and get on with it.
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When it's something important or something that interests me, I'll consider different sources and try to remain open to new information, even if it contradicts what I currently believe.
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Make it easy on yourself - just email me and I'll tell you all you need to know.*
* and things you don't need to know; this ain't no free service
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Very good connections.
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It's all very confusing and the change in administration in the US doesn't help.
Clearly, if I have the Oxford/Astrazeneca jab, then I know it will be Boris tracking my movements and controlling my thoughts. That would be okay as I might get some rather interesting ones, should I happen to see an attractive lady.
However, if I get the Pfizer/BioNtech, then will I be controlled by Trump (who may have stolen the password), Biden, Angela Merkel or Bill Gates ("Mind Control 10 has encountered a problem and needs to close. Contact your nation's administrator.")
And do both jabs required the same thickness of foil hat?
This is worse than having to decide between ketchup or HP Sauce on a bacon sandwich.
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Rich Leyshon wrote: This is worse than having to decide between ketchup or HP Sauce on a bacon sandwich.
I'm a veggie, but even I know: it has to be HP. 
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5teveH wrote: I'm a veggie
Another plus - another silver lining?
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