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It muskie reely difficult to salmon these thoughts so often.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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That's a good line; it reeled me in. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I'm hooked.
Remember, no matter where you go... there you are.
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You're taking the piscis, surely?
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I 'm not takng the bait!
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
JaxCoder.com
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Whatever floats your boat - none of us will sinker your praise on this barb.
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| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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The code I’m still ashamed of[^]
Quote: Nothing that we were doing was illegal. As the youngest developer on my team, I was making good money for my age. And in the end, I understood that the real purpose of the site was to push a particular drug. So, I chalked this tactic up to “marketing.”
The client was extremely pleased with the site. So much so that their rep invited me and the entire team out to a fancy steak dinner.
The day of the dinner, shortly before leaving the office, a colleague emailed me a link to a news report online. It was about a young girl who had taken the drug I’d built the website for.
She had killed herself.
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Then weapon manufacturers should be REEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYY ashamed.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: Then weapon manufacturers should be REEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLLYYYYY ashamed.
Yeah, well, there at least you know you're doing something that's intended to kill.
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I offer you a piece of logic for your consideration:
Suppose there were no weapons - sounds like some sort of panacea?
Well, if you're the big guy, things are great. If you're the little guy he uses for his own version of Dwarf Tossing - you're pretty much screwed.
There's an old saying and it's not without some important truth:
"It was god who created man but Colonel Colt[^] made them equal."
Don't think I'm downplaying the daily unspeakable horrors that weapons have caused and are causing as I write and as you read.
Weapons just change the paradigm: the biggest guy isn't going to be the ruler by mere accident of birth. Now the guy with the biggest gun, or with the friends with more and bigger guns, . . ., oh sh*t - we're right back to hear and now.
No weapons? That's not a choice. Not since Cain killed Abel.
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| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: some sort of panacea
I think there's a pill you can take for that.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Not a fatal one, but this is something which one of my fellow students did in our grad school.
In the final project work, he had hard-coded the inputs inside the code, so that whatever inputs the user gave on the screen, the code would always provide the same output with minor variations, so that it looked different each time.
And now, he is in a very senior position in a large company.
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All I will say about such behavior is that if I were his boss, and I discovered that he had deliberately released such code as a final product, he would be out the door as fast as possible.
No company needs engineers that will deliberately produce faulty or useless products. The potential liability is too high.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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In the final analysis, we are all ethically, if not legally, responsible for all consequences of our actions. It is tragic that this young (at the time) man had to learn this the hard way.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I have rejected several job offers just because they came from companies in industries I do not wish to support, for this very reason... 
It can come sneaking up on you when you're already employed, of course, but so far I've been lucky enough to avoid that... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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Never argue with a fool. Onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.
Mark Twain
modified 31-Jul-20 11:56am.
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The entire LLC (Limited Liability Corporation) and Corporate accountability standards need to be revised, so those who run such companies think three times or more about their actions. This is a huge problem around the world right now, as we are all aware of.
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It used to be Swiss law that the principals of banks (directors, executives) were liable, to the full extent of their personal wealth, for making depositors whole if the bank went under.
Now too-big-to-fail banks are the worldwide norm, with prop trading desks that gamble with depositors' funds. If you're a depositor at a bank, you're an unsecured creditor of that bank and your funds can be used to bail it out.
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Volkswagen, Boeing 737 Max... the list goes on... 
I'm championing an effort to (re)educate our dev teams at work. And part of the curriculum is this video on the ethics of software development, by Uncle Bob. I urge every CPian to watch it.
/ravi
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Oh cool, thank you for the link!
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The only problem with that excellent video is his conclusion: software professionals will become regulated. That won't happen until the regulators actually want responsibility to be assignable. They unconsciously understand that they, themselves, will have to be responsible for their own actions. And the corporate bodies will also require some accountability. None of those entities really want that reality. The only responsibility anyone seems to want is the responsibility of bringing in money. As seen by the lack of response to Boeing.
Maybe I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong.
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I just finished it... 
That should be played in every computer science first day classes around the world.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: That should be played in every computer science first day classes around the world.
It's going to be the first video lecture every member of the R&D organization (from CTO down to intern) will need to watch. I'm proud to work for a company that believes in me and has empowered me to bring awareness into the R&D team. Our company's culture rocks.
/ravi
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He gets no respect from me. Lacks empathy.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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There's no reason to be ashamed of doing that. Should Microsoft also be ashamed because their code was used to run a website that he built? Or Compaq for providing the hardware to run that site?
I used to do work for Monsanto, the devil chemical company. At the time I didn't realize who they were but I don't regret helping people do their job.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I understand his point of view, but I don't necessarily agree.
Personally, I've worked and work for slaughterhouses, but I'm a vegetarian myself.
If I had a choice I'd rather do something else (and I'm doing different things), but I know people in the slaughter industry and if they approach me for work I won't turn them down.
On the other hand, if I don't write the software, someone else will.
I mean, it's only a multi billion industry.
I can't fight it by not writing their software, but I can fight it by not using their product.
This guy made a website for some drug and someone died.
People die of regular food; people die in cars, their fumes are polluting the world at large, and oil companies are pretty much the root of all evil; people die from drinking; they die from other prescription drugs and the big pharma's are a bunch of mobsters in any case...
Even when working for your government, you'd be working for scammers, grabbers, liars, pedophiles, killers and warmongers.
The four of the biggest tech companies in the world are currently under investigation for, well, less than ethical behavior (and we all know they're guilty as hell) and we all use their products.
And, indeed, there have been a couple of scandals in the meat industry as well, even some of which were my customers at the time.
I understand it can leave a bad taste in your mouth, but I think his assessment of marketing was correct and this company wasn't out to kill teenage girls.
Perhaps he should focus more on how many people were cured/helped by taking the drug.
With his attitude you can't work in any industry anymore.
Now that is something to be worried about.
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