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Member 13301679 wrote: a child being raised by two parents instead of one tends to do better
I'm not arguing about that.
I'm just saying you don't have to be married to be together 
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Except file a joint return, walk into the hospital and see your partner, ( depends ), sign some legal things, inherit with fewer hoops to jump thru, get your partners health insurance. ( varies )
So, while the "union" is in your minds, the legal messes are something else.
So if you _are_ married, you are likely better of doing it "formal".
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I would consider a difference between being Married (legal, religious, whatever) and being COMMITTED.
The key is to be committed. I think, that is when everything works and is the best way to raise children. I think that is how the ancient communities survived. I think I read something like this the the "Naked Ape" book (by Desmond Morris???)
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ZurdoDev wrote: marriage is the best way to raise children
agreed. that's a pro.
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Evolution would be on your side in this: both parties have a genetic interest in the offspring and survival as a group allows more options (varying as the young mature) for survival of all members of the group.
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ZurdoDev wrote: the best way to raise children
Don't we have a few billion monkeys too many on this planet already?
ZurdoDev wrote: stabilize society.
I'm not sure that I want to s(t)abilize it.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
modified 1-Jun-20 15:02pm.
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OK Dwight Schrute. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: When done right, marriage is the best way to raise children.
Provided that the marriage does not end up in dogfight and a divorce.
Not very many couples divorce as friends. Most end up as enemies.
Lots of people who have been living together, and after they break up, they are still friends. Most kids want their parents to be friends.
A happy, life long marriage could be a good framework for raising children. Statistics tell that this ideal is not the norm. It is just an ideal. Even if marriages are life long, lots of them are not happy.
There is this story from the old days when people were riding horses. One old couple who had been married for fifty years, it was said that there had never been any argument or quarrel. The journalist from the local newspaper asked the couple if that was true, and how they had managed to live in harmony for that long. The husband explained: When we were on our way from church after our marriage, something made the horse pulling our wagon stall. I let it calm down, and commented "That was the first time!" We rode on, and then it stalled again. It calmed down, and I commented "That was the second time!" Well, when it stalled for the third time, I didn't say a word but picked up my handgun and gave that horse a bullet in one ear an out the other. That caused my wife of half an hour gave me a really harsh scolding. I didn't reply with a single word until she ran out of breath. Then I commented "That was the first time".
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Unless you have been married that is hardly a valid opinion.
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Slacker007 wrote: but there are more cons than pros
Mileage may wary.
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There's a biological aspect as well. If there wasn't we wouldn't see animals mating for life.
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Honestly being capable of traveling to any nation, including the fundamentalist hellholes, without risking death penalty for sleeping with my significant other is quite the asdvantage.
Adding the economical (lower taxes) and logistical benefits (possibility of taking care of each other business, from booking medical visits to managing household contracts) it really becomes useful.
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It feels like more of a social notion since most human cultures/societies have marriage institutions.
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You'd be surprised how varied they are across the world. Both in their structure and the rights/obligations of the parties.
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No I realize that, and I'd sometime I'd love to study some of those differences and similarities someday. I just object to the notion that marriage is merely a religious institution. A bit pedantic perhaps, but if it's something common across humanity, those similarities and differences should reveal something about humanity.
Anthropology is one topic I wish I knew more about
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I wasn't planning on getting married, ever 
It's a weird social construct that adds nothing when you're happy in love, but adds a lot of trouble when that love has gone
On a side note, I think raising or burning a flag, or a politician apologizing for slavery or WWII or whatever (anything they didn't personally do or had any influence on), a minute of silence and that sort of symbolic statements are all weird social constructs that I really don't get.
They're symbolic and change absolutely nothing to what has already passed.
Marriage, in that sense, is purely symbolic and does nothing except give you some tax benefits and arrange for your heritage that you could also get from a cohabitation contract.
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We need a good symbolic debugger for people that are married !
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I think those debuggers are called "relationship therapists" and "divorce lawyers".
Their invoices are far from symbolic though
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Quote: It's a weird social construct that adds nothing
Oh yes it does, at least in the country I live.
Basically, it is a contract (between m/f, f/f, m/m) that regulates one and the other. E.g. something important like pension fund or inheritance matters.
Ok, you are young but the older you get, things like this becomes more important
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
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It's a contract whose terms are subject to political whim. If the times comes to break it, the rules may have changed since it was originally entered into. Pass.
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Yeah, and since it's ONLY a contract (to me at least), it's absurd so many people are against same sex marriage.
That's because to those people it's more, it's some holy ritual that ultimately changes nothing to your current reality.
I get the contract, but beyond that I'm at a loss.
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I forgot to mention, here where I live: Church and state marriages are strictly separated and for legal aspects only state marriages/contracts count. And therefore also gender is no issue for a state marriage.
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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0x01AA wrote: And therefore also gender is no issue for a state marriage.
Not officially anyway
I think The Netherlands was the first country to legalize same sex marriage, but only after it was forbidden for centuries(?).
They can marry now, but they can also be beaten up because, well, they are attracted to the same sex.
It's not legal to beat them up, but it still happens 
I also think civil servants are allowed to refuse a same sex marriage and another civil servant will do it instead.
Not sure if that's legal, but I know it happens.
I think we have the same system as well, by the way.
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Sander Rossel wrote: They can marry now, but they can also be beaten up because, well, they are attracted to the same sex.
It's not legal to beat them up, but it still happens
Q: How do gay men fight?
A: They trade blows.
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Sander Rossel wrote: It's a weird social construct that adds nothing
Depending on where you live it might add a lot of economic and social stability.
I understand that in Japan it's common practise among gay couples, since gay marriages isn't recognized, that one adopts the other.
This gives them the legal right to inherit each other.
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