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We need a good symbolic debugger for people that are married !
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I think those debuggers are called "relationship therapists" and "divorce lawyers".
Their invoices are far from symbolic though 
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Quote: It's a weird social construct that adds nothing
Oh yes it does, at least in the country I live.
Basically, it is a contract (between m/f, f/f, m/m) that regulates one and the other. E.g. something important like pension fund or inheritance matters.
Ok, you are young but the older you get, things like this becomes more important
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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It's a contract whose terms are subject to political whim. If the times comes to break it, the rules may have changed since it was originally entered into. Pass.
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Yeah, and since it's ONLY a contract (to me at least), it's absurd so many people are against same sex marriage.
That's because to those people it's more, it's some holy ritual that ultimately changes nothing to your current reality.
I get the contract, but beyond that I'm at a loss.
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I forgot to mention, here where I live: Church and state marriages are strictly separated and for legal aspects only state marriages/contracts count. And therefore also gender is no issue for a state marriage.
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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0x01AA wrote: And therefore also gender is no issue for a state marriage.
Not officially anyway
I think The Netherlands was the first country to legalize same sex marriage, but only after it was forbidden for centuries(?).
They can marry now, but they can also be beaten up because, well, they are attracted to the same sex.
It's not legal to beat them up, but it still happens 
I also think civil servants are allowed to refuse a same sex marriage and another civil servant will do it instead.
Not sure if that's legal, but I know it happens.
I think we have the same system as well, by the way.
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Sander Rossel wrote: They can marry now, but they can also be beaten up because, well, they are attracted to the same sex.
It's not legal to beat them up, but it still happens
Q: How do gay men fight?
A: They trade blows.
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Sander Rossel wrote: It's a weird social construct that adds nothing
Depending on where you live it might add a lot of economic and social stability.
I understand that in Japan it's common practise among gay couples, since gay marriages isn't recognized, that one adopts the other.
This gives them the legal right to inherit each other.
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I've heard of adult adoption also being used to obtain citizenship for the adoptee.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Depending on where you live it might add a lot of economic and social stability.
Exactly, it's an economic contract.
In the Netherlands I believe you can obtain the same with a cohabitation contract.
Beyond the economic contract I don't get it.
You know, the standard girl's dream, big day, rituals, rings, through sickness and health, blah blah... Until the divorce anyway.
In the Netherlands you can get married for free at the city hall on Monday.
In, out, always prenub, and have that contract dealt with.
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Sander Rossel wrote: You know, the standard girl's dream, big day, rituals, rings, through sickness and health, blah blah... Until the divorce anyway.
I guess that was never my sister's thing. She got married in my folk's backyard in the presence of them, myself, and a priest. And yeah, today she's divorced. Lasted a whole, I think, 6 years.
She'd never admit it, but to me it's this simple: She spent 11 years with her first boyfriend, then when it became clear, as she was reaching her mid-30s, that she wasn't ever going to change his mind about not having kids, she got hitched to the first poor SOB who came along, got the kid she wanted, divorced him, he served his purpose, wham, bam, thank you sir, and they're now divorced. I actually feel more sorry for the guy than her, but at least she let him off easy, financially. By all legal rights she could've made his life a whole lot more difficult.
Yet another way to convince me I've done the right thing. I want nothing to do with that sort of crap, and I've seen it all but too often.
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I absolutely do not want children, so I guess I'm good 
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Sander Rossel wrote: tax benefits
Ding ding ding ding ding!!
That's how I've come to view marriage. And considering the risks (more than 50% nowadays end up in divorce), I'd rather continue doing my own thing, thank-you-very-much.
And when people tell me that's a sad way to look at things, I say keep that sympathy for those who were taken to the cleaners in a nasty divorce process. I can cite enough examples to make anyone weep.
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I've been with my missus for about 35 years and raised two kids. Neither of us saw any advantage in getting married as here in NZ there's no tax, social or whatever benefit and there certainly been no disadvantages.
It does not change the way we behavior, respect or treat each other. We just saw marriage as a meaningless religious symbolic bureaucracy.
A Fine is a Tax for doing something wrong
A Tax is a Fine for doing something good.
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RossMW wrote: here in NZ there's no tax, social or whatever benefit
How it should be! 
RossMW wrote: We just saw marriage as a meaningless religious symbolic bureaucracy.
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Do you get along with your best friend ALL the time?
Marriage is like that, you can get out of sorts with your partner but there is enough love and friendship to get past differences and make up. The bond grows stronger through these situations.
Been married for 32 years to my best friend and I wouldn't change any of it except for the times I've been an idiot and hurt her.
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Agreed, this is how it should be.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: I wouldn't change any of it except for the times I've been an idiot and hurt her.
Honest question: Has anyone ever found himself to be a situation where she admitted being the idiot and hurt you? That always seems to be so one-sided. The old joke, and it is one of them, is that it's always the guy who's wrong, no exception.
I make mistakes and I'll own up. But it has to go both ways. Otherwise one of the two is pretending, and I refuse to play that game if those are the rules.
(says the happily single guy)
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I mean, my wife regularly apologizes to me for when she's hurt me, and I apologize to her for when I've hurt her. That's just being a mature person.
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She's one of the few.
I hate to generalize, but...
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Yes she has.
Sorry in the delay responding, I'm on vacation.
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Marriage is great. I married a cheerleader and she has continued to be a cheerleader for everything I do. She is also an amazing cook and highly intelligent allowing for some great conversations and a happy time together. My son will be 32 next birthday and just sent a thank you note to us for all that we have done for him - although most of it came from my wife and she deserves the thanks.
On the other hand, my son's wonderful girlfriend is living with us, looks after him, helps my wife keep up the house and cuts our all our hair (she is a professional hairdresser who cannot work right now). My son says they aren't interested in marriage, they'll just live together. Whatever works.
These are different times from 30-odd years ago. As long as everyone is happy, that's what one should do.
The jokes are still funny though.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I'm the same age as your son and lived with my girlfriend (now my wife) under my parents roof for a long stretch (5 years).
I thank you too, because the possibility of living together while starting up is pure gold and speaks a lot on the kind of parent you are!
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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He has a large part of his student loan still to pay (in the US, students/parents are on their own financially - it's a mess) so living at home helps with his bills. he was reluctant to come back at first but now he's happy he did.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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