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Only 61 million people voted for the clown, not the entire country.
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But for this coronavirus misadventure, I feel Trump is the right person in the right position. His decisions so far have the intention to Make America Great again.
Again, he is democratically elected, and did not come by a coup or rebellion.
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His decisions have been to based solely on what would get him reelected. Not uncommon amongst politicians from either party. Arguably, pleasing their constituency is their job.
What stands out with the primary subject in this case is the way things are spouted out and 'walked back' so continiously that it's become a ridiculous new normal. For those of you who have read "1984", the concept of Double Think has, in fact, become a reality among his supporters. Questioning folly is answered with an insult to the questioner. If reality makes "him" look bad than it's labeled "Fake News" and can thus be dismissed.
The most horrific and sad thing is that, for his supporters, it works. A magic reset button they want pushed for self validation. Still - one can't give him all the blame, even at the government level (2016 elections are OVER): it is the "enablers" in the congress that must now accept the blame - willing to throw the country they claim to love under that proverbial bus for political gains - something enshrined in their behavior since after the 2008 elections.
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They're hardly the first ones to engage in Double Think. It's practiced equally well by the Red and Blue teams, along with many of their supporters.
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Granted.
What's going on now, however, is at such an astounding level that I'd never believe it as even plausible for a movie script.
Remember - if you dare - that "he" even encouraged violent attacks on those who disagreed with him at his per-election rallies. If I recall, even offering to cover any legal expenses they incur. That should disturb anyone.
Sometimes, it's not the event nearly so much as the degree. Like a driver speeding: 40mph in a 30mph zone is not the same as 95mph in a 30mph zone.
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We do not yet know what the situation will be like in November. In the worst case scenario, the chance of taking over is probably the greatest. But are we sure that the opponent really wants to take over and take responsibility for cleaning up the mess? If a new, far more intense wave of infection is in the process of building up, the economy is wrecked, and people are close to revolting, I could understand if the opponent rather stays low, and say: Those who let it loose, those who spent trillions on ensuring profits rather that health, let those take the job of getting the country back on its feet again!
I am certainly not saying that is is like that. I don't even think that it is probable. But I see it as possibility, at least in theory.
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Trump's November opponent will not lay low. Both sides are power gluttons and think that many of their opponents are seriously misguided if not evil. (They're both right.) And the typical voter is an imbecile who thinks that government is all unicorns and rainbows, and that it can kiss anything and make it better. It's unlikely that Trump would be blamed for problems with the virus, but he could well be blamed for economic problems, whether the virus is an explanation or not. This is pretty much an historical fact when it comes to US elections, recent examples being Bush the First and Carter.
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In the most recent economic fiasco, the 'other' part won the presidency and managed, despite a deliberate (and on the record!) plan by the opposition to make sure nothing gets done began the repair of the economy (successfully). The did get people back to work.
The party that has been (and continues) to put the Post Service out of business (so it can be privatized) and wanted (wants?) to do the same for Social Security - their followers are in no mood to think - they weren't before the election and haven't been since. Unfortunately, since their plan is always obstruction (and then blaming their opposition for it), it may be that the national recovery will be slowed - even halted - to attempt to curry political points.
And maybe violence. It's come from the head of state's mouth before. More specifically, he'll declare (Again !!!) that if he doesn't win it's election fraud. Put those two ideas together and we've a recipe for civil war. So much like a spoiled brat trying to make sure if he can't play then no one else can play.
All that's left - if he's given the chance - is for the military retake their oath so that instead of swearing to defend the US/Constitution against its enemies he'll have them take an oath to him. Now, from which ranting monster have we heard that before?
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Quote: he is democratically elected, and did not come by a coup or rebellion.
So was Hitler.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Bram van Kampen wrote: What everyone in Europe is more concerned with is, How could a country like America choose such clown as a president.
I live in Europe and that has never been a question I have asked.
Populations constantly vote for clowns as leaders, largely because clowns are often less dangerous than intellectuals when it comes to idealistic agendas. Most countries led by intellectual idealists usually end up in a very poor state.
Heck the clown archetype is even baked into one of sci-fi's best series of books in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series.
Clowns have their purpose.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Bram van Kampen wrote: I do not think I broke the rules of the Site.
Yes you did. This is politics and it is no longer accepted here. There are plenty of other places you can have this sort of discussion. CodeProject is strictly for technical and non-political matters.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: This is politics and it is no longer accepted here.
Not exactly, politics can be discussed in the lounge. It is this kind of lack of respect and trolling which is not allowed. And as politics discussions usually bring this kind of behaviour out and degenerates in such flame wars pretty fast... then it is better to be avoided.
For me is not the same.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: politics can be discussed in the lounge.
Nope. Read the rules.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I did, and I stand corrected
I was appealing to the possibility of having a mature conversation, but yes. Better to directly say: No, not allowed.
It makes it easier.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: the possibility of having a mature conversation,
Are you new here?
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Bram van Kampen wrote: I do not think I broke the rules of the Site.
Well, then you probably are the only one seeing it like this.
Sorry but you went a bit too far and I think you did it totally in purpose.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Bram, you're discussing politics. It's not about freedom of speech (yell what you want from your front doorstep while keeping sensible social distancing), it's not about calling a spade a spade or facts vs opinion.
It's about keeping the lounge civil and in 20 years I can't recall many discussions on politics - let along someone as divisive as Trump - that hasn't devolved quickly into a flame war. Let's keep that out of the Lounge as per our rules please.
I'm locking this thread.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote: Trolling means breaking the rules of the site
The term is somewhat more specific. A site may have rules about appropriate contents, forbidding stuff that does not fall under trolling. Trolling is like "picking a fight", being provocative, for the main purpose of making other readers getting angry and writing emotional responses.
In a forum devoted to cultivating of apples, a post about cultivating of oranges, from a poster thinking that the forum is about cultivating fruit in general, does not qualify as trolling.
I didn't see the original post before it was removed, but from the responses, it seems like this was a case of trolling, though!
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Member 7989122 wrote: The term is somewhat more specific.
I'm fully aware of that. I was speaking to him in context of what he just did.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Responding to this the way I would like to would be SB material. So I'm refraining. Barely.
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What is "SB Material" I am unfamiliar with the term. Is it good or Bad. For now I take it as Good.
Bram van Kampen
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SB is Soapbox, now extinct.
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And here I was, thinking it meant "site banning". The lad is definitely poking the bear with a sharp stick.
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"On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." --H.L. Mencken
Do you like him now? The last time, you speculated that he was a neo-Nazi because he said something nasty about democracy. Mabye that's what you call anyone who attacks one of your sacred cows. Yet a communist or serious monarchist might also have said it. Or a classical liberal, which is what Mencken actually was, although the term is too tame to do him justice. He also had about as much use for religion as do you.
modified 25-Apr-20 21:36pm.
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