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Yeah - MS is really showing a lot of restraint with those updates...
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I'm still using 7 (occasionally on VM's), everything still works like it used to
- no lost productivity because redmoron decided to remove / change / "update" something [that was 100% fine].
btw - OT:Quote: Microsoft is ready to push a full-screen warning to Windows 7 users who are still running the OS after January 14. The nag-screen payload is part of the December 10 Patch Tuesday monthly rollup.
people still installing updates on win 7???
why??? there are no updates, there are no fixes, just this sort of crap
-- ms have all but admitted as much
please - for your own good, if you're on win7 turn off updates NOW!
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Oh that I could still use 7, at this company 8 with a start button, Seven on some of the older laptops was the closet I got...
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There is one feature in Paint3D that works really well for me...the 'Magic Select'. I still use the old Paint also for color matching. One other old graphics app I still cling to is MS Photo Editor.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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The old one is still around: mspaint 
#SupportHeForShe
Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Paint.NET[^]; free and eminently capable.
Software Zen: delete this;
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I completely agree, used to use it, but the 'Flower' that controls the PC won't allow it! I have used Adobe Photo thing find Paint.NET better!
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glennPattonWork wrote: the 'Flower' that controls the PC won't allow it
I've run into the same thing, except about the superb installer tool Inno Setup[^]. The @#!$!!$ muppets in our IT gestapo decided that since it was freeware it was suspicious and they blocked access to the web site. This despite the fact that I've been using it for all of our product installers for over ten years. When I told them this they threw their hands up in horror, and then fainted dead away when I also told them I hadn't vetted it through the company legal department before using it. 
Software Zen: delete this;
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I hope you are not saying you prefer Paint.NET over Photoshop?? I prefer MSPaint over Paint.NET, use GIMP or InkScape instead if you need free. Do they still include the standard Paint in Win10? I only ever found the Paint3D, so I copied the MSPaint.exe across from a 8.1 installation thinking it wasn't included...
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I though it was done for, but I typed into the Search function and up it popped! same with NotePad (not that I use it!) 
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Start|Run mspaint (win key + R)
it's still there.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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This xmas, I have decided to buy myself a Printer so that women in my house feel happy they got extra gifts.
The problem is that I have got like 3 inkjet printers ( range 45 to 70$) in last 4 years. We don't use it often and when we needed to use it, ink was dry or some issues props up.
So when you go to get ink, the cost almost 30$ makes me think , let me just print couple of pages in a shop.
So does laser printer a better option?
Is there pre defined cost to benefit ratio excel sheet of known printers to help me decide?
cheers,
Super
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Question: Would you ever want to print printable CDs or printable DVDs? If so a laserjet is probably not the right choice. I have a Canon MG7720 just for that purpose. 
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Cp-Coder wrote: Would you ever want to print printable CDs or printable DVDs
That's the only reason I got my Canon Pixma MX922 for. Otherwise I'm very much committed to laser.
Funny thing, when I asked the lady at Staples if they had inkjet printers that could print on CDs, she assured me they "had nothing that fancy, at least not among the cheap stuff we sell".
Then I found one on the shelves, for less than $120, I think. I made a point of showing her on my way out.
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Yup. My 10 plus years old Brother laser is the family workhorse. Inkjets are just for fancy stuff.
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That is exactly why I went laser a year ago.
You turn it on, it prints, you turn it off.
It just works, instead of spending an hour winding you up while you try to get all the lines in the print working ... I think I poured more ink through my printers "cleaning the heads" or just binned it because the cartridge was "not recognised" than actually landed where I wanted it to on paper.
But check the toner prices - it isn't cheap, but it does seem to last pretty well and non-OEM toner is available.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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OriginalGriff wrote: I think I poured more ink through my printers "cleaning the heads" or just binned it because the cartridge was "not recognised" than actually landed where I wanted it to on paper.
So true. It beats the purpose of anytime printing from comfort of home.
Do you recommend any specific laser printer make and model?
cheers,
Super
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I've a Samsung C430W - basic colour with WiFi - but you can get the 480 which includes a scanner (and can be cheaper than the basic one if you shop around).
Be aware that the toner they all come with is a "sample" - it won't do that many prints. Most the second hand / nearly new ones on FleaBay have run out of toner and they don't want to pay for new stuff. I've just ordered my first toner cartridge (Yellow, non OEM, less than £20) as it's down to 20% after a year. But ... that was almost all greetings cards, so loads of images.
Also think about what you want to print - the GSM they take varies, and the higher the number the stiffer the material. Mine takes 200gsm photo glossy card easily from paper bay, which is nice.
You'll also have to chuck out all your inkjet paper, card, labels, etc. - it's got a coating on it which prevents the ink bleeding, but it melts onto the laser fuser and is a PITA to remove.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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OriginalGriff wrote: You'll also have to chuck out all your inkjet paper, card, labels, etc
That's done already. Was so frustrated with inkjets that I disposed the stationery so that I don't tempt myself to spend hours to make printer work again.
cheers,
Super
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When my HP deskjet died I followed some advise from Griff went and bought a Cannon Colour Laser installed it. Get used to print the odd letter, a CV but less so now. I also own a separate Cannon A4 flatbed scanner, I mention this as they try to combine under a common app. On the whole go for a Colour Laser the toner costs a bomb but you don't have to change very often, It has been moaning about the magenta take it out vigorous shake plug it back in, still works!..
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I have a Brother laser printer(monochrome).
It's around 10 years old, I have not yet had to change the cartridge.
Laser printers just work when you need them and the ink/powder lasts a long time.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Inkjets are, IMO, not worth their price anymore. They were the only way to get colour in the days when home black-and-White laser printers were expensive, and colour laser printers were unavailable. Today, I would go for a colour laser printer every time.
Advantages:
- The toner cartridge for a laser printer typically lasts for thousands of pages (less for the toner cartridge that comes with the printer)
- The toner doesn't dry out (no ink cartridges wasted)
- The print head doesn't require cleaning (no ink wasted)
Disadvantages:
- Cost. A laser printer is much more expensive than an inkjet.
- The cost of the toner is higher than the cost of inkjet cartridges. This is offset by the number of prints - thousands as opposed to (at best) hundreds.
Others have recommended printers. I have been using he same printer (Brother HL-3040CN) for the last 6-7 years, so I know nothing about later models.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Cost. A laser printer is much more expensive than an inkjet.
...for varying values of "much". I paid $100 for my HP LaserJet Pro CP1025nw years ago. I've paid, I believe, around $46 for a set of replacement color toner cartridges, which I still haven't used as the original "starter cartridges" still aren't used.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: The cost of the toner is higher than the cost of inkjet cartridges. This is offset by the number of prints - thousands as opposed to (at best) hundreds.
See above. An inkjet would've dried many times over in my case.
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All I can say is that both laser printers and toner are a lot cheaper where you live than they are in Israel.
The cheapest price for an HP LaserJet Pro (the CP1025) in Israel is NIS 780 (~ USD 225).
The cheapest price for a single, original toner cartridge (1 of 4) is NIS 200 (~ USD 57).
(There are cheaper laser printers, but I wanted to compare like with like.)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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