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OriginalGriff wrote: mine lives in "Programmer" mode even though I rarely use it
programmer mode can't use / don't give real / floats
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
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Really, I wouldn't even expect it to be smart enough to apply order of operations correctly. A spreadsheet is a better tool for complex calculations anyway.
Cool, so I learned something new anyway...never knew about the parentheses available under scientific and standard. If those were available in standard mode, there would be no problem.
I have to admit that my math skills aren't what they used to be...depend totally on calculators and spreadsheets for even simple calculations anymore. 
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In APL, all operators have equal precedence. To a certain degree, I can understand the arguments for it.
For the very basic operators, it is easy to follow: Do multiplications before additions. But advanced programming languages (APL not the least) has so many operators for which there is no obvious or "natural" precendece. If you want to minimize the number of parentheses, you must have a list of operator precedence available at all times.
I guess that you can trust Visual Studio graying down "unneccessary" parentheses, and remove those. But when you read such minimal-parentheses code, you need that precedence list to see what is happening. You see lots of programmers adding "unneccessary" parentheses so that their C code looks halfway like Lisp  , "just to be sure", and in a hardcopy output you have a terrible job finding the matching parenthesis. As a general rule: If your program code to any significant degree depends on operator precedence, or multiple levels of parentheses to override the defaults, then you need to break down your expressions into simpler sub-expressions. The compiler will anyway assign a memory location to hold the value of each subexpression, so you might as well do it yourself, and give a descriptive name to it!
In languages like APL there is one single rule: Left-to-right. Any parenthesis indicates a deviation from this rule: Watch out! So APL programs are never Lisp-like (well, that is one of the reasons ). I sort of like it. Even though I grew up with "multiplications before additions", I cannot off hand tell whether a logical XOR is done before or after a logical shift or an equality test. Which operators have higher precedence tahan preincrement but lower than postincrement? I don't know. I can't list those lower than preincrement, and can't tell just why bitwise negation goes before casting, while logical OR goes after. APL never gives you problems like this.
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I can see your point.
But, idea behind calculator is: in Standard mode any new operation it calculates as x += 1 or x *= 2, so new operation is applied to result of all previous operations. Which, personally, i don't like, because this can be achieved by pressing "=" button after every operation, but i can understand.
Anyway, problem to me is not this Standard vs Scientific (although using 2 different design algorithms in 1 program is usually really bad thing to do), but that History contains wrong equation. Which means that if you didn't check in which mode you are, result that you used can be wrong. Which can induce different set of problems.
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48 is correct, as per natural [germanic based] language which is expressed left to right. same way you read a sentence, in the order presented.
it's 24 if it's "bodmas", but seeing as bodmas is younger than natural language it's absolutely not new math rules,
in fact it's the original and oldest math rules.
and btw: any accountant
1. will tell you 4 X 3 + 4 X 3 = 48, anything else and the auditors will have your skin.
2. in accounting brackets BRACES mean something completely different than others suggest,
.... i.e. 4 X 3 + (4 X 3) = 0 ... 4 X 3 + (4) X (3) = 48 ... 4 X (3 + 4) X 3 = -84
so those old rules are:
- still very much alive
- very important to the person that provisions the money for your pay/salary.
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The simple calculator chains together what you are entering following the natural reading order. This has been known as the Arithmetic Order of Operations.
This is kinda like "interpreted" programming such as JavaScript which is processed line by line.
The Algebraic Order of Operations (FOIL, PEMDAS, et al) is followed by the scientific calculator; and is like "compiled" programming, in which you can declare an object anywhere within the class, before or after it is called.
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In related news;
Political Calculations: Court Upholds Math Order of Operations[^]
I have no problems with the software performing as if it is limited like a hardware-calculator, but it should not produce the history it does without explanation.
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miki-bgd wrote: This is really insulting for anyone who knows how to count up to more then 10. |
Everyone knows that after 10 comes oneteen twoteen, etc up to ten teen
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But do I really want to work in Kosovo?
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Covfefe only still exists because someone has not yet figured out how to park an aircraft carrier there.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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and we all know who that is... 
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It is not Paris. There's a positive.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Nothing wrong with Paris, except for all the Parisians there.
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Someone has to program the land mines.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'd go anywhere I get paid to work.
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I want to be somewhat near my family, at least for easy weekend trips. I don't think Kosovo qualifies...but the company doing the contract work is the same company doing contract work in Romania, so maybe it would give me an "in" for a position there when one opens.
The tax-excluded aspect of it is a big plus, of course.
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Slightness of badge mostly intended to hold a hundred. (14)
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
modified 28-Jun-19 4:43am.
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That's not bad! 
I'll leave answering for a few hours though ...
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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You don't want the responsibility of settings next week's theme?
It's part of the reason I haven't answered yet... But also, I only have half the solution
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I have a complete solution, and it fits very well - Oh sod it, it's Friday... 
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Which half, out of interest?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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I got "Insignia" and the fact I had to remove part of it, but hadn't worked out the rest until OG posted the answer
And I assumed it was a C for hundred, just didn't get intended = fiance
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I got the "INSIGNI" and "C", then "INSIGNIFICANCE" popped up, so I worked backwards to get "FIANCE" from the remaining letters.
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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Slightness
of badge INSIGNIa
mostly (Remove 'A')
intended FI ANCE
to hold (contains)
a hundred. C
INSIGNIFICANCE
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Never throw anything away, Griff
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modified 28-Jun-19 4:32am.
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