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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: To my employer(s), it gives something to sell. To their customers, it is a tool that allows them, in turn, to perform their work or their leisure activities.
and create products to sell. Which I cannot afford to buy because my employer does not pay me enough. 
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As dear old Longfellow once said:
"Lives of great men all remind us, we can make our lives sublime, and, departing, leave behind us, footprints on the sands of time."
As I once said:
"Lives of techies all remind us, we can make our work sublime, and, a year on, leave behind us, legacy code that's past its time."
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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PeejayAdams wrote: leave behind us, legacy code that's past its time
It's only really legacy when they start thinking about updating/replacing it,
until then it's still "latest & greatest." 
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lopati: roaming wrote: It's only really legacy when they start thinking about updating/replacing it, a silver-tongued salesman convinces a non-techie that yesterday's new thing is today's old thing.
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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Too many people misjudge their worth: how often have you heard, "if they fire me they'll be in the shite and everything will stop working."
And how often have those people been fired and companies gone belly up?
Nobody is irreplaceable.
So to answer the question: You're only worth how much it costs the boss to replace you.
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lopati: roaming wrote: You're only worth how much your boss thinks it costs to replace you.
FTFY
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No.
you obviously didn't read the the first sentence
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Oh, I read it alright.
But the misjudgement of worth is equally bad on both sides.
Otherwise try to explain all horror stories of outsourcing to India.
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lopati: roaming wrote: So to answer the question: You're only worth how much it costs the boss to replace you.
That's a good one to keep in your mind when asking for the next raise. In a time where there's a shortage in trained and trustworthy employees, it becomes easier to be worth ones weight in silver.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Thanks, I have an answer now.
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GKP1992 wrote: Can you judge the worth of your work?
I can quantify the cost and look up past profits, but that is not the same as the worth.
How much value is there for an end-user in being freed from Jira? 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Yes.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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 Thanks for making me feel stupid.
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That wasn't the intent.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[ ^]
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Often attributed to Albert Einstein
Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts.
This is really the truth of measuring your value. You can't really tell, because things that are infinitely important may not be counted at all. Other things that the market deems important may be measured and you have none of it.
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Well, maybe seeing ca. 20K hits/day on the web pages (all web applications that are used to do company business) and hundreds of users spending their time staring at my screens puts the work at some definite value. That it's totally adaptable to new company "brain storms"*
With so many people dependent upon it, it must be worth something.
* Programmers Prayer:
"Oh Great Deity, spare me from managerial brain-storms this day.
Pour out thy wrath upon these misbegotten throwbacks
That the creation (of code) are not debased by their whims."
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W∴ Balboos wrote: * Programmers Prayer:
Pour out Thy wrath upon the managers that know our value not,
and upon the departments that call not upon our expertise.
For they have devoured the hardware budget, and wasted it on new shinys.
Remember not against us the technical debt of our predecessors;
let Thy compassions speedily come to meet us; for we are brought very low.
(With apologies to King David)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I was wondering - would these prayers work better if a department has ten or more programmers?
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W∴ Balboos wrote: would these prayers work better if a department has ten or more programmers?
Only if they are all professional members of the ACM!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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AS SOON AS YOU TOLD ME IT WAS FLAKY IT STOPPED RUNNING MY CUSTOM TOOLS!
You know who you are.
You owe me all of this virgin blood i have to spill to get the thing working again.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have some dark arts to perform.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Perhaps you are just doing it wrong.
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I'm always doing it wrong. So wrong it's right.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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