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So glad it was solved quick.
You are up tommorow
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Nice clue 
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93. Voiced support for early invention (5)
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I hope it's not too soon. Spoke
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Better than too late
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Well if I spoke too soon it could be embarrassing!
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I'm in the position of having to organise multiple devs getting the Microsoft App Builder certification because it's a requirement for our gold partnership.
One of the required exams in the track is the "70-486 Developing ASP.NET MVC Web Applications" exam, but I've looked everywhere and as far as I can tell the book is as good as out of print. There seems to be 2 editions of the book, a 2013 one and a 2016 one. I've managed to find a few second hand copies of the 2013 one, but it's likely to be pretty out of date as apparently the 70-486 exam now covers .net core too. The 2016 one just doesn't exist anywhere. I'm not even sure the 2016 book will be up to date enough as core was first released in 2016.
Sorry, this is a bit of a rant, but how do they expect people to know what to cover if they can't keep the material up to date with the exams.
Has anybody done these certifications? How did you approach them?
Amazon - Out of stock - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Exam-70-486-Developing-ASP-NET-Applications/dp/1509300929/
Microsoft press - Not available - https://www.microsoftpressstore.com/store/exam-ref-70-486-developing-asp.net-mvc-web-applications-9781509300921
modified 16-Apr-19 20:19pm.
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Do online sample tests to get an idea of the questions they ask and the sort of things they want you to know.
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I would but all the online samples I can find a pretty sketchy looking. Most describe the exam as "Developing ASP.NET MVC 4", which is definitely out of date. I wouldn't mind doing sample exams, but I wish I could find some official ones from Microsoft.
For example, this is the first result in google - https://www.examcollection.com/70-486.html - and seems to be a fairly questionable collection of paid for brain dumps which are explicitly not allowed in the t&cs when signing up for the exam.
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'not allowed' 
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Simon P Stevens wrote: ...how do they expect people to know what to cover if they can't keep the material up to date with the exams.
That approach right there is exactly why those certifications are not worth the paper they are printed on. You are supposed to already know the material. Studying books/online sites for hours/days/weeks ahead of time is the same as having no experience with the subject matter.
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The certifications are a revenue stream for Microsoft. In the real world, things I do often I know backwards and forwards and things I've done once, I remember roughly what can be done and where to find the details
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The problem with certs for specific technologies (or versions of said technologies) is the rapid deprication if those technologies. It's IMPOSSIBLE to keep up.
Furthermore, having a cert don't mean sh*t. Anybody can pass a cert test, but only EXPERIENCE builds your skill set. If you're lucky, the latest and greatest dev tech will be easy to migrate to (going from MVC4 to MVC5). However, going from dekstop dev to web dev requires a pretty major re-think of how things happen in the target environment, and at that point, you have to have highly developed forensic, debugging, and tool skills to succede. Hopefully, you'll be using a language you're familiar with, but true skill and insite as a programmer is the only way you'll survive in that environment.
Don't bother telling me about your certifications. Show me how your code.
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One of the devs on my team came in this morning describing the CSSLP class they're taking (contractors - me - aren't allowed to take the same class), and he said the instructor told them that the test writers and study guide writes only meet every few years. YEARS!? The company's study materials cost an arm and a leg, and they're YEARS behind the current tests. How can they sell this kinda crap to the government?! Even better - why is the government accepting this situation with no push-back!?
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I totally agree, the certs are worthless as an indicator of ability. We are only doing them as they are a requirement for MS partnership, which is pretty annoying really.
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David Crow wrote: Studying books/online sites for hours/days/weeks ahead of time is the same as having no experience with the subject matter.
Unfortunately, that's the basis of the entire education system in the entire world.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Last year I did it the easiest way, but that's not really a good idea. I booked the exam, looked at some questions online, found them boring and then took the exam the next day. The Boss paid, I passed and everything is well.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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You can check out websites such as Udemy and PluralSight.
They often have pretty up-to-date videos about the latest exams.
I'm not sure about 70-486, but I recently got AZ-203 and at least studied for AZ-100 and AZ-101 (both will be replaced with AZ-103  ) using Udemy.
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Don't know.
The courses I have are legit.
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Thanks, but it's only the original 2013 edition they've got (The one with MVC 4 in the title). The 2016 edition is out of stock too.
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I don't know much about these exams and how they are handled and processed, but the lack of books indicates a few things to me:
1. All study materials are being moved online only?
2. Lack of interest in these certification courses?
3. Possibly due to #2, MS is phasing this out?
I find it really hard to believe that up to date study materials would not be available worldwide for something that was still active and sought after, such as certifications, etc.
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Yeah, that was my thought. They are probably being deprecated.
But unfortunately it's still a requirement for gold partnership status, so we've got to do them.
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Simon P Stevens wrote: if they can't keep the material up to date with the exams.
But the material you are looking for is book, right? And Microsoft often does not publish books, it's third parties that do that. But the Microsoft site and then experience has all the information you need.
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