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OriginalGriff wrote: The whole "Settings" app is clumsier, harder to use, and less friendly than "Control Panel" was - and it misses out many features.
Indeed. I deliberately put links to the old Control Panel in various places because it offers a lot more settings in one place. And for the settings that are available in the App, it's intuitively easier to find where it is in Control Panel.
Besides I hate the insistance to get rid of the real world button analogy. It was intuitive and worked well. The new, flat buttons that often don't even have a discernible border are hard to recognize as such, and keep you guessing where are the functional elements in a dialog. It was a huge mistake to drop the beveled button concept without an easy to recognize and use replacement.
OriginalGriff wrote: It probably works on a phone.
The core concept of Metro was the unified UI that would work on hand-held, touch-enabled devices as well as desktops. It's obvious that such a concept could never reach the intuitivity and user-friendlyness of the existing UI frameworks in either world. MS tried and horribly failed with Windows 8. They should have learned that lesson and drop it alltogether.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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And it's not a lot of fun on a touch device either: the WookieTab is touch, and even with a nice 12" display, Settings is harder to use than Control Panel.
The worst bit? No "Apply" or "OK" buttons - you touch, it's immediate; no chance to go "no, wrong checkbox".
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640
Never throw anything away, Griff
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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they will not change any UI for the near future maybe in 2030 edition of windows ten with build number 59837948
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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The whole "Metro" idea is a complete failure. It feels like going back to the good old days of Norton Commander on DOS. As a matter of fact I think Norton Commander looked better and was a much more functional UI... total disaster after the slick and (mostly) consistent Windows 7 UX.
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If you have more than one version of ssms, you know the pains of having to guess which one to click on. At least they made the icon for 2017 different, so that one's not a problem.
On my system, I have 2008, 2014, 2016, and 2017. The first 3 all look the same in metro ui and programs list.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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kmoorevs wrote: If you have more than one version of ssms, you know the pains of having to guess which one to click on.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I'm a fellow sufferer of the Win10 reality distortion field. 
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Windows 10 UX gets much better with inexpensive enhancements from Stardock (Start10, Fences, Groupy...) and DeskSoft Window Manager... highly recommended.
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netizenk wrote: Windows 10 UX gets much better with inexpensive enhancements from Stardock (Start10, Fences, Groupy...) and DeskSoft Window Manager
Glad to hear that M$ has created another industry so other devs can get rich too. 
I guess I should start cranking out the Win10 enhancement plugins.
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Still an issue in 1809. But at least you can search the list now. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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I'm sorry -- Are you from the past?!
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You're doing it wrong. You're using the settings app which sucks.
In the search box by the start button type control.
This will launch control panel
If you only see a few icons, in the upper right of control panel, click view by: Large icons.
There, now go to Programs and Features and enjoy the good old "Add remove programs" of yesteryear when things were better.
You're welcome.
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I'm pretty sure he knows how to access the old Control Panel in Windows 10. The problem is that it could be gone without a trace with the very next update and the "Metro" Settings will be all that is left...
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Ron Anders wrote: You're doing it wrong.
Hahaha!! You are so right!
I should've remembered that all the OLD is still there buried beneath the NEW.
Igor (running from Frankenstein's monster) It's... alive!! It's alive!!!
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When your UI is so bad that searching for what you want is a better way to access it than through your UI... I mean.. That's pretty bad.
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I used to be able to see what my IP address was pre-win10 in an annoying number of clicks -- right-click wifi, network connections, right-click again properties... whatever it was... Details... and... there we go! my LAN address. Nowadays in win10? Forget about it.
On the other hand, in cmd.exe...
ipconfig
Microsoft is helping us be better computer users by making the command-line a more attractive UI option!
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I suspect they pushed Windows search after they realized that for some unknown reason the Metro devs threw discoverability out of the Windows(TM).
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I can find my IP address on Win 10 (1809) as follows:
Click on the wireless icon in the tray
Click on the Properties link for the current network
Scroll down to the bottom; there's a section labeled Properties where I can see my IP address.
(two clicks and a scroll)
Or, I can open Control Panel,
search for Network,
click on View network connections,
right-click on the connection and choose Status,
then click on Details.
(after opening Control Panel, typing and three clicks)
But at the end of the day, ipconfig is still fastest.
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Noticed recently my hidden notifications menu, when i show it, is broken. I assuming due to 4k monitor, with ui enlarge scaling on.
Was looking for if Steam open, only showed 6 icons. assumed just 6 hidden. Nope, the panel is hidden behind the task bar.
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Yep, I get that too, because I use one of the quicklanuch menus. If I click the STart button then that quicklaunch menu, the taskbar has a higher z-order and I can't get to the quicklaunch menu.
Total pain.
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For the full name, hover the mouse over the item and get a tool-tip type popup.
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StChasFrank wrote: For the full name, hover the mouse over the item
Hover! I ain't got no time for hover!!! 
Just kidding. Thanks for the input and that is a good tip.
However, hovering is a bad solution because it is BORING waiting on the tooltip. 
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I've found taht the tool tip window is limited size, too. Some of the tool tips I've seen are clipped, and to date I have not found any way to access that information that is clipped off in the tool tip window 
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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The Windows 8 and above UI (and the update idiocy) got me to start dual booting with linux. I mainly only use Windows 10 for gaming and the occasional Photoshop session now. All my normal computing needs are now handled in Devuan Linux. All told, I have way fewer issues maintaining my Linux partition then my Windows 10 partition.
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Very cool you've made the switch.
If I can find a Linux with a small footprint I may soon do the same. want to try Android Studio and development on Linux.
sasadler wrote: Devuan Linux
Hadn't heard of that distro. I will check it out. Thanks
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Devuan is basically Debian without System D.
I've actually only had one problem so far (couple years in now). One of the recent updates of Thunderbird wasn't working correctly. There was an issue with AppArmor so just disabling AppArmor for Thunderbird fixed it.
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