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That's pretty much my backup strategy. I've been buying drives in sets of 3 for years now. One live, one local backup (disconnected), the third one for an off-site backup that gets rotated with the other one on a regular basis.
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dandy72 wrote: I've been buying drives in sets of 3 for years now. One live, one local backup (disconnected), the third one for an off-site backup
But, damnit, that means that we'll never get to see your photos online, because you don't use a hackable cloud account!
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I suppose that's the one "flaw" in my strategy.
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Hi!
My suggestion is that it is unreasonable to ask for an infinite amount of resource by allocating a finite amount of money.
What you could do, however, is rather different: you could set up a service yourself and charge for it. The money to keep your own backup would be funded by the paying customers. It doesn't even really have to be something akin to Dropbox or OneDrive as those do something entirely different.
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Hi,
not completely free nor completely unlimited, but you can have 10 To for 50€ per year at hubiC: Online storage for all your files – hubiC.com[^]
There an intagration with Synology's Hyperbackup solutions, with a possiblility to encrypt locally. Dunno if they have something for QNAP though ...
regards
Julien
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Of course you could always just invest in a good fireproof safe! Just sayin'. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I can't tell if you're trying to back upt he QNAP over the network or if you're referring to a native QNAP Crashplan app. My QNAP server (Intel-based TS-851) oes offer a Crashplan app -- I have installed it but never tried it. I mostly use the QNAP to back up a Windows 2012R2 Server and that does run Crashplan, which works very well and is unlimited. I use the $15/month family plan which protects 5 machines -- very reasonable and I have 4-5TB of RAW and TIFF photos and DV family videos in their system.
I recently signed up for Amazon's unlimited storage ($60/year, I believe) and have been experimenting with using odrive to sync server directories to the Amazon cloud. It offers local encryption/decryption so if the cloud account is hacked, they would see just a bunch of random directory names and filenames. odrive is still a work in progress and is not free if you want encryption (then it's about $100/year for the software), but it claims to work with any cloud (Amazon, OneDrive, Box, Dropbox). The main impediment seems to be Amazon's limited API, and like all cloud drive-type storage, a lack of versioning so if your files get clobbered and subsequently synchronized, you've still lost them. But there are ways to avoid that and I'm using it mostly for offline storage (it can create placeholders for migrated files on the local machine so you can see what you had, and recover a specific file by just opening it). Still, there's a learning curve.
So I'll probably stick to a combination of Crashplan, Amazon and ODrive until the next thing comes along.
Uwe Baemayr
Senior Software Developer
Micro Focus
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I actually went for something like this, plus a combination of three HDDs as suggested above.
Crashplan was $59 for a year and it is unlimited, they have a QNAP app, but I like to "see" my backups working so I just installed the Win client and it found all the shared folders on the QNAP and allowed to be added to the backup selection.
Now, waiting for another 7 more days for the initial backup to finish, after that it will be only incremental or differential (not sure how Crashplan does it)
Will be looking also into Amazon's unlimited storage and also thinking about building my own Azure storage powered windows client, but for now Crashplan seems like the best gang for the buck.
Thanks all!
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I use Backblaze and they are unlimited for personal backups. They also have a cloud solution which may help with the NAS but that's not unlimited. If you can mount your NAS with iSCSI it should work as a local drive though.
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I use Backblaze. I have had to do a restore with their tool and it worked as expected. They even offer a method where they ship a drive with your stuff and then you mail it back when you're done.
I do not know about their support for QNAP specifically, but they are the best deal I have seen around. Given their recent B2 launch, they are clearly dedicated to delivering lots of storage for a reasonable price.
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Honestly? Instead of paying for those online backup services (which cost in a year what it would just to buy an external drive) - buy the external drive, make your backups then take the drive and store it in a fire safe or at a friend's house to get it offsite.
If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair
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I look at it the other way 'round -- a year of cloud backups is the cost of one external drive and my external drives don't last longer than a year or maybe two. I have a pile of external USB drives and they are just incredibly unreliable. That's why I got the QNAP for local backups/redundancy -- largely filled it with 3TB drives extracted from USB cases that kept overheating or simply wouldn't connect to the host. I know these drives are de-tuned but they seem to work fine and they're a lot happier in the actively cooled QNAP server.
This does assume that your ISP doesn't impose a transfer cap, of course. Otherwise the economics change.
Uwe Baemayr
Senior Principal Software Developer
Micro Focus
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Your external drives only last a year or two? Are you keeping them spun up all the time or something? I make a backup and then take 'em offline and put 'em away (in a safe or something). They never wear out that way. Hard drives are typically rated for thousands of hours of use (if active). I don't think I've ever had to replace a USB hard drive because of a hardware failure. I've got some here that are several years old and they work fine.
If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair
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I have two permanently connected USB drives on my Win2012R2 server: one backs up the operating system and apps for bare-metal restore (that was a Seagate 3TB which failed, now it's a "Fantom" 1.5TB drive) and a WD 5TB drive backs up other family member's desktop/laptops for bare-metal restore (Crashplan only backs up data). The Windows 2012 server & client backup software requires local drives for these functions, so I can't target the QNAP. These USB 3 external drives spin up when they're in use or "touched" by the server and a few times a week, I get health alerts saying they're too hot (the Seagate drive quickly hit 130F+ when under load, the WD drive is more reasonable). I actually have a fan on them and that really helps.
I will say I found that USB 3 drives are more reliable than USB 2 when it comes to not dropping the connection to the computer. That was always a problem with USB 2 and E-SATA. Lots of drive reboots.
The other USB 2 and 3 drives are disconnected and stored and I manually back up my music library a couple of times a year for safekeeping. Twice over the years, when reconnected, the drives were unreadable. They'd spin up but the server gives me the dreaded "The USB device could not be recognized" or "has failed". That's when I started putting more stuff into Crashplan. I also use old bare drives for offsite backup (family recordings, photos, videos) and that's been reliable.
Uwe Baemayr
Senior Software Developer
Micro Focus
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Seems that we have forgotten that backups used to be made with an offline storage medium called tape. OK, so that's not "practical" these days, but keeping backup media online when it's not necessary seems to me to be a waste of equipment and power. Do the backup drives (and I assume you're using them as backup, not as redundant active storage [I.E. RAID]) absolutely have to be spun up and available all the time? Think about it for a second. Is your personal installation so active that you couldn't take a few minutes every week or two, spin up the USB drives, make your backup and then put them away? Bet you'd save money and the aggravation of always having to buy new equipment!
I've been developing software for 40 years and have had personal equipment for the last 30 or so. Aside from the occasional upgrade or self-inflicted issue I've never had much in the way of actual equipment failure. I gave one of the "cloud" backup services a try a few months back. It was as slow as watching paint dry. On the other hand, though, if I need to restore something from my last backup now I simply go into my safe, get the media and plug the drive in and it works every time.
Offhand, in my humble opinion, this "cloud" technology (which really ain't anything different than centralized computing was 40 years ago) has been WAY oversold. With just a few simple procedures I not only keep my material private (and out of someone else's server room) and have reliable backup.
Think about it ... 
Bruce W. Roeser
Senior Software Engineer
Kronos, Inc.
If you think hiring a professional is expensive, wait until you hire an amateur! - Red Adair
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After the fun-and-games with the US election, it seems someone has turned their hand to the French: French candidate Macron claims massive hack as emails leaked| Reuters[^]
It'll be interesting to see if the UK gets the same attention in the next month.
Perhaps this will persuade people to take us seriously when we rant on about security, and "doing the job properly" next time?
Nah, I didn't think so either ... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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This is another item that's going to be a feature of every election.
Yawn news.
The only political news worth reading these days are the statements from Kim Jong Un - yes it really is crap too, but it's funny.
BTW: because of above mention of the beloved leader The Lounge will be moved up a few notches in the CIA Watch List
... oops, did it again "CIA Watch List" is also in the CIA Watch List
... Doh! Stupid CIA Watch List
... Doh! Stupid C...
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Quote: Those domains include onedrive
Well, they were asking for it, then.
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clueless twits - probably using gmail. google knows more about what's really going on than we do.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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geocities and yahoo search, actually. 
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Macron's opponent, Marine Le Pen, has tight bounds with Putin and Russia. Enough said. (I'm maybe rising my big "stereotypes" card here, I know, but still).
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That is the Pavlov-reaction that has been fostered; we're told that Russia and Syria are a threat to the world, but people could be forgiven if somewhat confused. So confused that some allies are shooting at each other, instead of shooting at ISIS.
It is fun to see how the owned media is used to steer the election; no bad news about Macron until he won. The EU is desperately defending its existence.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: The EU is desperately defending its existence.
It'll last, just let each country "member" make it's own special rules
... it'll be just like the last times it was united, WW-II, Roman Empire.
The eventual disaster will be economic, but as that's all just numbers inside computers anyway, (basically a form of virtual reality) they can pretend are pretending it's not really happening for much longer.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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Rage wrote: Marine Le Pen, has tight bounds with Putin
Loved your use of "bound" -- imagining them in an S&M relationship made me LMAO.
(For future reference: "binds")
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