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Quote: Why Tesla’s Cars and Autopilot Aren’t as Safe As Elon Musk Claims[^]
In the wake of Brown’s fatal crash, Tesla’s sensor supplier Mobileye clarified that its current technology is not designed to prevent a crash with laterally moving traffic like the turning semi truck Brown’s Model S struck. This week, Tesla revealed another Autopilot accident that saw a Model X swerve into wooden stakes going 55 mph in a canyon road.
Sure it's only a hardware failure?
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From what I've understood is that Tesla Autopilot isn't a full fledged driver yet but designed to help during highway rides and a canyon road doesn't sound like a high way to me.
Should be named Tesla Copilot instead.
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I work in sort of artifical vision (I actually use X-Ray but I briefly worked on stereoscopic vision) and to me is absolutely idiotical having a self guiding system relying so much on image recognition. I'd complement it and do a majority consensus with at least an infrared array and a sonic detector, if not a laser array.
I mean, it's not like Tesla cars are cheap so 1000$ more of equipment are totally worth the reduced risk of accident.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Telsa also uses either radar or lidar (pr possibly both) to supplement its camera system.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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On the news item that I read it was specified that the problem arose because the vision system did not detect the white of the truck against the bright sky. So the systems look like they aren't working together, or ALL of them failed at once - quite dangerous.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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That was the initial report. A few days later Tesla posted that the combination of visual and *dar returns resulted in the system thinking it was seeing an overhead roadsign. (Being on the far side of a hill could put them at the same line of sight as other vehicles.)
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Thank you for the clarification then. It sounded strange in facts, AFAIK Teslas are pretty well engineered and I couldn't fathom such an oversight.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Conventional AI requires someone to think of and explicitly program every case. The list of potential cases is effectively infinite. Deep learning neural nets are mostly black boxes, WTE they'll do with untrained input in advance is largely unknowable. Training the latter with all the gazillions of very rare edge cases is why Tesla's have so much telemetry (any time the driver takes over for the computer is a potential new data point/scenario to be trained into the master network and pushed out as a software update) in their current semi-autonomous mode.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: Deep learning neural nets are mostly black boxes, WTE they'll do with untrained input in advance is largely unknowable.
Yeah, I know that, that's the big reason we don't use them in my line of work (food and medicinal safety). It's better to have an imprecise but deterministic algorithm with known, insulable and maybe correctible flaws rather than a black box which can degenerate in whichever possible direction.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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At Microsoft Worldwide Partner Conference 2016, we announced the Microsoft and Open Source Partner Community, a Lithium-powered platform for you to easily collaborate with the vast and diverse ecosystem of partners who build and sell open source solutions on Microsoft Azure. Just in case you need another forum in your life
Open Source, and Azure. One of these things is not like the other.
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Kent Sharkey wrote: a Lithium-powered platform
What? I need a specialized tablet device to interact with the community??? 
Marc
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Yeah, that popped out for me as well. Personally, I thought they just meant they were on anti-depressants.
TTFN - Kent
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Kent Sharkey wrote: Personally, I thought they just meant they were on anti-depressants.
No doubt! 
Marc
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758 members, 27 online
(That includes me)
They have a ways to catch up to CP!
Marc
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MIT researchers have created an algorithm that hopes to understand human visual social cues and predict what would happen next. A commercial?
Or if you're watching PBS, a pledge drive
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I am pretty sure it would throw an exception if they made it observe my wife 
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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Yo wife's so fat an AI observing her would throw an OutOfMemoryException 
It would throw a NullReferenceException when observing my wife though 
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What takes AI 600 hours, takes me 2. Television is so predictable.
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Microsoft today announced a brand-new Alpha of Skype for Linux. The new app uses WebRTC, "which ensures we can continue to support our Linux users in the years to come." Now they can enjoy dropped calls and distorted speech as well
And of course, the reason is that Microsoft recognizes this as The.Year.of.Linux!
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I pray Linux never becomes prominent.
i cri evry tiem
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I pray Linux never becomes a prominent OS.
i cri evry tiem
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In August, Firefox will ship its first feature across all desktop platforms built using its Rust language. I thought they've been doing that for a while now
Yeah, skipping the Neil Young for once.
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Let it rust
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Rust in peace 
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Quite a few Windows 2003 servers remain, but they aren't terribly important to their owners If it ain't broke...
But hopefully they won't need patching
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