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http://www.computerworld.com/article/2970944/android/oracle-google-has-destroyed-the-market-for-java.html[^]
Until I read the following from the article, I didn't get it:
"Given the widespread dominance Android has achieved with its continued unauthorized use of the 37 Java API packages over the past few years, Android has now irreversibly destroyed Java's fundamental value proposition as a potential mobile device operating system," Oracle wrote.
In other words, Oracle is saying,
"Hey, you did what we wanted to do but you did it years before we were able to do it. Now we own Java and we are going to destroy you and Android if necessary so we can create our own Mobile OS which can compete against you. !@#$*!@% you, Android/Google!!"
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I thought they were saying:
Hey, you did what we wanted to do but you did it years before we were able to do it. Now we own Java and we want a big part of the benefits you are having with "our" technology, you !@#$*!@%
Your version implies more effort and resources that they don't have
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: we want a big part of the benefits
You are most certainly correct.
Laziness rules!
Just gimme the ca$h, okay. 
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If it turns out that Google is truly using the API's illegally doesn't that paint Google as the lazy one?
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Not really. They didn't just use the APIs like a normal Java developer would. They copied the API declarations into the Android platform, then wrote their own implementation code.
EDIT: This would have created TONS of work for them, as the 37 APIs in question contain over 600 classes and over 6000 methods.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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Colin Mullikin wrote: copied the API declarations into the Android platform, then wrote their own implementation code.
That statment makes me really side with Google, because it is more proof that Oracle is trying to sue them for using Oracle's idea. You cannot copyright or patent ideas. Ugh.
Besides the fact that Java was OS for an extremely long period of time and all of the gray areas that entails also.
The real problem I have with all of this is
1. these kind of lawsuits squash innovation
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From a software perspective, doing what Google did makes perfect sense. They wanted Java developers to be able to use the exact same classes and methods that they were already using when starting to develop for Android. Its much easier to convince developers to make apps for your platform if they don't have to relearn everything.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
Wow, even the French showed a little more spine than that before they got their sh*t pushed in.[^] -Colin Mullikin
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I agree 100%! Great point.
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In older days that would even apply to the UI.
Nowadays it cannot be "new and improved" if it doesn't have a different color-scheme 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I read the comments here, I didn't read the article, and I'm no lawyer, but...
It seems to me that if person A has stolen something from company B, and company C later buys company B, company C can't now charge person A with theft.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: I'm no lawyer, but...
Good thing because you're wrong. When company C buys company B they assume all of company B's responsibilities and gain all of their rights. Including the right to protect IP. As Colin points out this is a very odd case due to Google's use of class names and such but not the actual implementations but legally Oracle has every right to pursue this as far as they'd like.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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I'd been meaning to find and post the online version of this for about a month; but since the story it's covering is moving at the speed of government it should still be current...
As long as there have been work-issued mobile devices, businesses have turned a blind eye — or an inconsistent one — to a thorny issue underlying the unspoken expectation for employees with those phones and laptops: always be on call.
Now federal labor regulators may revise a standard governing what amount of time should be considered too insignificant to compensate outside scheduled work hours.
Of course by the time the feds get around to coming up with a standard for checking email/etc on your phone; it will probably already be superseded by direct neural messaging implants.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: direct neural messaging implants.
I hope not, usually the first 3-4 answers I think are a bit... unpolite.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
"just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy
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You'd better start retraining your mind now. Just thinking that about your boss when he messages you at 3am when you're on vacation will get you fired after your implant is in.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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If he knew what I was thinking he'd be pretty scared to fire me 
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
"just eat it, eat it"."They're out to mold, better eat while you can" -- HobbyProggy
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If you want someone to work for you, you pay them.
Dan Neely wrote: Now federal labor regulators may revise a standard governing what amount of time should be considered too insignificant to compensate outside scheduled work hours.
Government can dictate whatever it wants. If it is not paid, I will not work. If it is insignificant, it can wait until I am at work.
Unpaid work is nonsense.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I agree completely. Anything done outside of normal business hours is only done under exceptional circumstances.
But, if you remember the article from a few days ago about the average IT worker doing about 50 hours of work/week despite only half of us doing any extra hours (meaning the other half was averaging 60ish hours/week), a lot of our peers are either crazy/stupid or stuck in really crappy jobs. Their employers deserve good lartings; and the sooner it happens the easier it'll be for us to find a new job that doesn't suck if/when we end up needing them.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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It should be in the job spec and remunerated, my SIL was on call 24/7 but they paid him an on call bonus.
I don't think you are going to be able to regulate it. Start working on an ad blocker for neural implants, the next (or later) big thing.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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There's a difference between getting paid to do a job, or getting paid to perform tasks.
Doing a job to me means to take on responsibilities. Taking on responsibilities requires more flexibility and sometimes do things outside your normal working routine if the situation demands is. It doesn't mean you have to be available 24/7. It's being capable to judge the urgency of the situation yourself and then having the balls to tell people when they can reach you and when they can't.
If you're paid for performing tasks, then you can demand to get paid extra for everything you do outside your normal working hours, but then the guy who does the job will decide when they call you; not the other way around.
You decide which one is the better deal. 
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If on salary, then salary covers everything.
If hourly, then you shouldn't be doing anything for your employer when off-the-clock and the employer can't expect you to.
Some years back, my wife was on an hourly job (in a call center no less) and the workers were expected to be in the call center, logged in, and to have read their email before their shift began -- they couldn't read their email from home, but they were expected to do it on their own time. Their meager argument was that if you worked at McDonald's you would be expected to show up in your uniform; you wouldn't be paid to get dressed. A class-action suit was brought against the company, the company lost, my wife and others received a small compensation, the company was then swallowed by a larger company.
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There's confidence, and then there's hyperbole. When Microsoft suggests that its latest release is a 20 year paradigm-creator, which one is it? "Hyperbole is the best thing ever!"
Yeah, a repeat blurb, but really suitable here.
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20 years of darkness and W10.
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There’s a cliché of tech professionals as hard-charging individuals, more than willing to give up food and sleep in order to more quickly build the latest bit of revolutionary software. Work pays for the life, but you shouldn't live to work
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Kent Sharkey wrote: Work pays for the life, but you shouldn't live to work
As Han Solo said: "Yeah well that's the real trick, isn't it.."
Thank the Maker that all of the Hippest software development startups are more than willing to stock the encampment with free beer, stocked fridges, free vending machines with the sausage/cheese stick combo pack things (damn those are good), catering, ping-pong, video games, casual Fridays, Nerf stuff, beer, cots, burial plots, etc.!** Who needs a life with work like that! 
** Not to mention being able to have a manager whose job it is to come around and stick a finger up of everyone's arse for one hour a day, thereby causing you to have to work an extra hour to actually do the work you were supposed to be doing during said hour... Just sayin'... 
... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet. - Henry Minute
I'm still looking (eagerly) for wisdom in terms of best practices in OO design; and I doubt I'll ever quit looking. - BillWoodruff
Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. - gavindon
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