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...maybe it depends on what you're doing with it. I don't do any Web and mobile stuff, so I can't make a judgement in this area, but for "normal" "old-fashioned" C# projects (desktop applications and class libraries) it's performing really well, the Roslyn integration is finally there and shines, and I didn't encounter any crash so far (which wasn't the case for some of the earlier CTPs). I'm not sure how good it scales for really large solutions because most of the stuff I'm working on has less than 10k lines of code, and it could be faster (well, it should always be, shouldn't it?), but it's good enough right now for me and if it is going to improve with future updates it looks like a great release.
What I still don't like is that it installs so much stuff by default that I never use; for example, all the cloud/Azure components. They improved the setup experience in this regards, but it's still not where I'd like it to be (which would be the possibility to customize it down to the last package). I wrote a little (yet dumb) utility back in the VS2013 days to remove all the unwanted stuff a little easier but without taking care, some seemingly independent component would break your install if being removed, so I hate to deal with workarounds like that.
Another point is the fact that the sign-in is broken now (it's not persistent anymore), and some other little missing things like a more fine-grained formatting engine.
modified 14-Sep-15 17:31pm.
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FIorian Schneidereit wrote: I don't do any Web and mobile stuff, so I can't make a judgement in this area, but for "normal" C# projects it's performing really well, the Roslyn integration
Web and mobile is very normal, so I don't know what you actually mean by "normal".
Anything involving Roslyn isn't considered "normal" by my standards 
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Sander Rossel wrote: Web and mobile is very normal, so I don't know what you actually mean by "normal".
Sorry, maybe "normal" was a bit of misleading. By "normal" I was actually referring to plain old stupid desktop software, everything not web-based and mobile. Maybe "traditional" or "old-fashioned" would be better in this regards. 
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FIorian Schneidereit wrote: plain old stupid desktop software,
Well, you seem easily swayed by comments.
Why is desktop software stupid? Because it does the heavy lifting? Has legible text on screens that can actually show you information - on a single screen - in sufficient quantities to be useful? "Old Fashioned" ? I guess you'll Photoshop on your eye-phone because that's the ideal target platform for the work.
Man up, lad. Man up.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Well, and you missed the point. I was being ironical (I tried at least) and exaggerated a little. I accidentally used the word "normal" to refer to desktop development because I didn't realize it's just not that normal these days anymore where mobile is becoming the new normal. But never mind, it seems to be my fault because I'm not a native English speaker/writer, so maybe I'm misunderstood easily.
And sorry, I rarely use Photoshop, and I don't own a smartphone. IMO, most of the mobile stuff is just toys for consumers anyways. You just have to look at the list of top apps, you'll rarely find some actual productive tool in there. But I don't want to make a judgement here. If you are a mobile developer and it makes you pay the bills, it's your decision and fine with me.
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FIorian Schneidereit wrote: I don't own a smartphone
Neither do I. Habe keine angst - ich verstehe.
I did just replace my 'flip-phone' about two weeks ago with another flip-phone. I have that because Mrs. Frau insists.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Getting a little bit off-topic now  but personally, I wouldn't mind using a smartphone too. It's just that my rule is to replace hardware only when it gets broken, or cannot be fixed or upgraded. So here I am, with my six year old Nokia 6303 classic (great phone BTW because it's reliable and the battery still lasts at least three days given it's age and charge cycles). People around me maybe got five different models in the same time span, but just think about the environmental impact for a second.
OK - let's stop and have a nice day (hopefully). And I'm sorry for you because your Mrs insists. Tell her that it's best to leave people freedom in their choices, even in a relationship. I'd never tell my girlfriend what to do or use (she's just got a smartphone, she's even on Facebook although I don't like it).
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FIorian Schneidereit wrote: I'm sorry for you because your Mrs insists
I have determined:
"The man may wear the pants* in the house . . . but it's up to the woman when he gets to take them off!" - Balboos HaGadol
* English Idiom: 'wears the pants' implies the one 'in charge'.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Yes, I know this proverb. Yet I think it's wrong, the "you-against-me" approach, which shows a lack of respect for the invidual freedom and equality in our relationships.
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Yup, I can also confirm that Sign-in is broken. I've reported it.
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Me too, back in the CTP days, but they (of course) eventually closed it down. As far as I remember, the explanation was that they're redesigning it and it'll work again in the future. Guess we'll have to wait until the future arrives then.
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It will be VS6 for a long time, then we'll switch (maybe) to VS2012.
Good luck with your new shining toys!
I'm not a bit envious no no.
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It certainly has some good stuff.
Too bad that good stuff makes it crash on regular basis.
For example, I can't write HTML with Knockout, some lines of code make VS2015 crash completely every time I try to type them. I've been working in Notepad++ and copy/pasting this code to VS (yes, that works).
Debugging was SLOW (which is an understatement). About a count to jump to the next line while debugging. That get's really very annoying (and unworkable) if you're locating a problem and simply have to step through your code.
Yet somehow (Windows updates I guess) the speed has improved and it crashes less regularly.
If Microsoft keeps this up VS2015 may actually become the best so far and I'll be using it for a good few years.
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I totally agree with the jumping from line to line while debugging.
Its very annoying.
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Just like every other MS dev tool: Slow and buggy.
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Agree. Not that non-MS tools are any better (Eclipse  )
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