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d@nish wrote: This is translated from Hindi so may not be funny.
Its too much like my reality for me to find it funny. 
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Display Name Taken wrote: d@nish wrote: This is translated from Hindi so may not be funny.
FTFY!
Sorry d@nish, but it doesn't work in English translation (not for me anyway)...
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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they can all bugger off, I thought it was giggle worthy
veni bibi saltavi
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This is instead a possible conversation with my WTB (Wife To Be, planning marriage, I mean really actually planning it).
WTB (wakes up poor fella me at 2 AM): Who was lead female actor in Desparado?
ME: The flock do I know? It's you the one who watch movies.
WTB: What was Megan Fox's name in Transformers?
ME: Who's Megan Fox?
WTB: When did the girl next door moved in?
ME: is there a new girl next door? When did the old neighbours movZZzzzzz...
Yup, I'm a bit careless 
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Haha, good one. 
Well to be fair, if you wake me up at 2 AM be prepared for some random information. I usually dream vividly so I'm half there and half in the real world. I could probably name almost anything about the person/people/beings in my dream be they real or fiction. But even asking me my name, the company I work for, her name, either birthday(including my own) would result in a bewildered expression on my face and I can only imagine how angry she would look.
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The former Mrs Me had a birthday two days before mine so we generally split the difference and had a single celebration on the day in the middle. I suppose I should have seen the writing on the wall the year she sent out invitations to the bash which entirely failed to mention that it was my birthday too! Somehow the claim that she'd forgotten just didn't ring true!!!
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So you've finished your computer science degree and you've just realised you actually don't know everything in the world. What are the fun ways to teach newbies to the industries?
For me it was development articles and.... recently I think stuff like industry related comics are good for teaching people new to the industry, fun and innovative at least.
Example: http://www.commitstrip.com/en/[^]
This is something developers can related to.
and of course for keeping up to date...
http://www.codeproject.com/script/News/List.aspx[^]
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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Just let them look at some legacy code that someone pooped out - and ask them to fix it. Most effective if it's uncommented.
After seeing the horror they will Shun the Dark Side . . . or Embrace It.
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I quite agree, it was 50% of the training I received in the company I'm working for. The other half was solving problems, with a low penalty in case of failure, that made me step into the common problems and patterns we encounter normally.
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Entirely wrong, newbies usually are taught in a wrong way. I learnt programming waking up all night, listening to taunts my brother, friends and other family members had for me, getting sick for working 24x7 in 40+ degree Celsius. I made it! Should I recommend the same way to others?
Wrong, wrong, wrong... Wrong. Programming is fun, agreed. But only when entirely known. You can throw "Bobby Tables[^]" joke at a beginner and laugh alone in the room. Comics, some might dislike them. I don't love comics, I remember that PHP joke, entirely stupid comic. That doesn't happen at all. If someone prefers PHP for development, they don't hate it. If they do (like me) they ignoring chatter about PHP.
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Here is what I say, try to share your experience with him. How you did it, but what was the main idea. Share your idea, motivation, aim with him. Tell him how you felt and how you managed. Not how many times you drank tea (after making it to this stage, I have taken an addiction of 7 mugs of tea a day! Dang).
If you are an instructor, please try to learn the student before student learns programming. Learn where he lacks knowledge and polish him. Learn how soon he quits, and try to provide him with confidence and strength. Learn where he wants to be shared some in-depth knowledge and try to provide him with fun riddles, algorithms and other similar problems that would provide him with in-depth solutions.
Keeping up-to-date is not required while learning programming. 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
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We hired an intern about 2 months ago to migrate legacy code. The only programming he had done previously was Java. I started him out with a small 3K LOC module. After a couple of weeks, I felt bad, and provided him with the module mostly done and asked him to finish it. 5 weeks later, and I still haven't gotten anything back. It's a good thing we are paying him by the module!
I was quite shocked a couple of weeks ago when he finally asked for help. While on a remote, I set a breakpoint in VS and started stepping through his code. In amazement, he exclaimed, 'I didn't know you could do that!'. 
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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That is not at all surprising. Personally, I'd have been observing a junior much more closely and passed on helpful information like this much earlier.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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It's an unusual situation as he works from home and is apparently either very independent or embarrassed. I had roughly one hour of one on one with him when we hired him, and he seemed to 'get it'. At that time, I explained what was to be done and let him know that I was available anytime to help. Even in the first week, I took the small project I had given him and spent a few days migrating it myself so that he could see a working example. The only thing left to do was to replace the ADODB components with .NET counterparts. I even sent instructions/samples on how to do this. It's been three weeks since I last heard from him. I'm actually thinking that he's not too serious about it and just needs the internship to fill a credit. At any rate, he has assured me (in our limited conversations) that he has learned a lot, and that it is a lot harder than he thought it would be.
He's young and living at home for the summer. (doesn't really need the money)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Not surprising at all, my first debugging method was to intersperse "meaningful" fprintf to debug files. See, many professors don't know how to use a debugger or never teach it...
Also, I discovered i could "set the next execution line" only several months ago, after 3 years of hardcore 8-hours-a-day (or much more) programming
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Thought I'd toss this out to the chaos group... had a manager call me today, he was virtual interviewing (yuck) candidates from a local university. The area I consult in is heavy C, not heavy enough C++, very machine oriented, custom machine control HMI. Think Beagle board / Arduino on steroids.
So, said manager had a very hungry Java developer on the line - Java, J2EE, Sql, etc. Enterprisey sort of guy, hell, could have been a gal. So his question to me was - could this work? Is Java to C++ and more particularly our development area to large a gap to jump easily?
I hedged on... no. Because the last time I was asked to spin up a new hire, I wanted to just kill him and bury him out back. Then again, I don't want to be too harsh. I'm an EE, and I know I can learn. My gut call is "it depends". I've seen developers come into our environment and run screaming (we're agile - meaning things change all the time  ).
What do you think?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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This new java dev knows that you work only with C / C ++ ? If he or she wants it I believe that he or she can make the jump to the right side If he or she is making it for the money I give him / her a month max before the running out screaming for mercy 
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
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My personal feeling is...no, probably not.
I used to do both embedded and desktop work (I'm pretty much just Desktop these days) and the two environments are wildly different. A Java programmer is going to be used to having a massive framework behind him to insulate him from the hardware layer (even more so than a MFC C++ coder, since Java needs a runtime layer to actually work) which almost certainly doesn't exist in your development environment.
And it's really difficult to get your head around not having all that memory, and application size, and those helpful classes ready made, and...
How hungry is he? Working at the moment? If not, pull him in for a week - or a month - and see how he goes; but don't expect an easy transition!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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No. Your risk is greater than your reward.
Java and C++ are two separate beasts. Java to C#, sure.
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Yes, no, maybe so.
It depends 100% on the person. I have worked in C & C++; sometimes in well managed frameworks and sometimes working barebone. I have worked in VB, C# and Java, and not worried at all about it. Hell, I started in COBOL and have done too much Scripting to be good for any one.
Anyone can switch, the question to ask is do they have the desire to switch?
veni bibi saltavi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Anyone can switch, the question to ask is do they have the desire to switch?
That's plain wrong.
As everybody knows, Java developers hate switch.
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In case you didn't know, Javians lurve to switch, if you want to select a group who are different go slap the VB boyz.
veni bibi saltavi
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No.
There are exceptions of course.
No, really, there aren't exceptions.
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I say, Java to C# would have been a 100% yes (maybe 110%) but Java and C++ (as you're mentioning embedded programming) are entirely different. Java (as OriginalGriff has mentioned above) works on a framework, known as Java Virtual Machine, which executes the bytecode of Java by Just-in-time compilation process. C++ on the other hand has to be compiled to the metal and thus, every processor architecture needs to be sure of, x86 or x64 and other bla bla.
I would have asked that person whether he knows some about Java ME. Java SE and Java EE are all high-level frameworks and they run on JVM (you know), where as Java ME (although not a low-level but) has a few low-level stuff and needs to be memory-efficient, the SDK is also built for micro devices and would allow you to learn a few things I have personally enjoyed this, it is used for programming embedded devices or other micro controllers.
If the developer is eager, (as OG mentioned) hire him, give him a test time. Allow him to learn the frameworks and language (C++ and Java are differnet languages in their structure also!). Indeed if this was for me (and the offer was worth investing my time for), I would have learnt C++ and embedded device programming in a matter of 2-3 weeks.
Programming is fun! 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
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