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enhzflep wrote: No, of course not. But you'd hopefully understand that some people would see you as being 2 beers short of a six-pack for not anticipating them and acting accordingly.
Ha! That is, of course, the left wing, communist thinking of the nanny state. Why am I to be held responsible for other people's reactions? Are they children? Are they morons? No, only the people who think we have to be responsible for other people's thoughts and actions are morons. Hello, moron. 
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I pointed out what to most normal people would be bleedingly obvious, yet you respond with what appears to be a direct and personal insult.
Have a closer look - I never said I felt that way, nor subscribed to that view myself. I merely said that there would be people that thought that way.
If your closing sentence was sarcasm, I'm sorry to admit it was lost on me. 
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enhzflep wrote: I pointed out what to most normal people would be bleedingly obvious, yet you respond with what appears to be a direct and personal insult.
I take it you left your sense of humor at home?
enhzflep wrote: I'm sorry to admit it was lost on me.
Yes, it appears it was.
It was meant in humor: sorry if you were offended.
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Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
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me, in pictures
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Thanks for the clarification Mark. I think I've got my sense of humour with me, just (as has now become increasingly apparent) a little too tired to interpret written sarcasm very well.
I'm not and wasn't offended, I was just confused there for a bit. The smilie-face didn't seem to gel with the words & I didn't quite know how to take it.
Hope I haven't turned this into a joke that gets explained - i.e ruined it!
Cheers mate, hope the day doesn't throw anything nasty at ya.
Simon.
Here, have a +vote on me.
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Thanks: my wife tells me that I'm not nearly as funny as I think I am. She may be right. Dammit.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Pleasure. Hmm, you're on your own with that one, cos I'm a fence-sitter in spousal differences of opinion. 
But I think your post was as funny as hell, now that I understand where you're coming from.
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Of course! I'm not commenting, even though I just spent three horrendous days in the Peoples' Republic of California unarmed by law, and subject to the mindless or malicious intent of any of the armed loonies that reside there, despite the law. Even though many who dwell here would benefit from learning that opinions and facts are different creatures, and no amount of wishful thinking will change facts, I'm not commenting... 
Will Rogers never met me.
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A small comparison with Switzerland:
In Switzerland a majority of the male population is conscripted to the army and is required to keep an army rifle or assault rifle at home.
Switzerland has one of the lowest murder rates in the world with 0.7 per 100,000 population.
I'd say it is a matter of culture.
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Agreed. And clearly, disarming people in the USA won't change that the country is awash with guns.
Christian Graus
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So, how do one change the culture?
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I don't think it's possible, but the first step would be to stop the media from creating a culture of irrational fear. Another step would be to have a society without such huge gaps in opportunity and ability to sustain life comfortably.
Could be headed towards soapbox territory....
Christian Graus
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Christian Graus wrote: I don't think it's possible,
Yes it is. After some googling I found this: how to change a culture[^].
Crap - that's only a getter. I told you I was sick.
I meant this[^]. 
/ravi
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Doing something about the media. - Agreed.
Christian Graus wrote: Could be headed towards soapbox territory....
You're probably right. I'm out of here, I'll check the soapbox tomorrow.
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Unless mark starts it, I probably won't pursue it. It's a broken record 'guns make us free, the government are scared of us because of our guns, etc'. yawn.
Christian Graus
My new article series is all about SQL !!!
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: So, how do one change the culture?
Ship them all off to Switzerland. 
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What have the Swiss done to you?
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: What have the Swiss done to you?
Nothing. I was just commenting about how to change a culture. 
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Indeed.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: I'd say it is a matter of culture.
Or in our case, a lack of it. 
Too many people just do not understand the value of life.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Ah, but that's down to great chocolate, a cool knife and some seriously cuckoo clocks.
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And cheese, you forgot the cheese.
Some years ago I wen't to Zug in Switzerland to install a server. During lunch I asked the people how to make a proper cheese fondue. During the next two hours I learned a lot about cheese, and Swiss culture.
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There are holes in your argument.
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There's more to it than what you read on the surface....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_gun_laws[^]
The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (recruit school), the basic-training camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers).
Each soldier is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, military police, medical and postal personnel) at home or (as of 2010) in the local armoury (Zeughaus). Up until October 2007, ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm) was issued as well, which was sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use had taken place.[4] The ammunition was intended for use while travelling to the army barracks in case of invasion.
In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still store ammunition at home today.[5]
When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment.[citation needed] Keeping the weapon after end of service requires a license.
The government sponsors training with rifles and shooting in competitions for interested adolescents, both male and female.
A "shooting society " somewhere in Switzerland; people come to such ranges to complete mandatory training with service arms, or to shoot for sport and competition.
A "shooting society" somewhere in Switzerland; people come to such ranges to complete mandatory training with service arms, or to shoot for sport and competition.
The sale of ammunition – including Gw Pat.90 rounds for army-issue assault rifles – is subsidized by the Swiss government and made available at the many shooting ranges patronized by both private citizens and members of the militia. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there.
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It's actually a good question[^].
If managers doesn't what his/her underlings create, does that make them a worse manager?
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