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Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively.
And thats the difference. King was a hero, Mandella a terrorist.
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But the level of oppression between the US and SA was also on quite different levels. Especially when you take the level of official oppression in account.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers.
Buckminster Fuller
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I dont know how much it varied between the US and SA, however blacks were killed in the south. They had to cross the street if a white woman walked down their side of the road, get on their knees and remove their hat if they passed a white man on the pavement.
I dont know that SA was worse than that, I dont see how it could be worse.
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It was legalized.
But then again, if you go back more than one hundred years the US had slavery.
I read a document a while ago that made that comparison, I'll see if I can find it again.
BTW, I notice that you didn't really answer my original question.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers.
Buckminster Fuller
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Quote: Of course aparthied was wrong, but it wasnt unique to SA, the US also had it, and it was also fought against, but passively.
The American government is setup so that you can passively fight against it. The SA government was so oppressive a passive fight would have done nothing, right? Not to justify violence but would a passive fight have even worked? Perhaps he did try passive first.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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And how closely did southern states adhere to US govt policy on this?
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You tell me. But you didn't answer my question. I can't believe anyone would think that the US and SA are the same.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think the southern states in the US in the 30s and 40s were equally as bad as SA at that time.
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Yes, I can see you thought that. By the way, Martin Luther King was in the South in the 60s.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Yes, I know. I think the US might have improved during WWII (the racial situation).
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And if you go 100 years further back in time the US was questionably worse.
Politicians are always realistically manoeuvering for the next election. They are obsolete as fundamental problem-solvers.
Buckminster Fuller
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As far as I know slavery wasnt practised in SA.
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They aren't but the thing is Eric likes to argue but doesn't like to have a grown up argument and listen to both sides of the story
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Did you just trot this lame and blanket statement out having read it on the internet somewhere?
Go on, now jujstify it, tell me how I have ignored the side of the black in SA?
Waiting....
(in vain I expect)
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No I wont Eric as I have had discussions with you before and if it is information that you don't want to hear then you normally do one of the following
1. dodge the question / information posed to you.
2. return with some derogatory comment.
3. ramble with your original statement until we give in and say you win.
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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So thats a no, you cant thrn. Just as a I thought, it was an empty and ill considered statement you made.
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Someone died! Quick piss on the grave before they get him in!
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How did you react when Bin Laden died?
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Doesn't seem like you read your own link.
"it would be unrealistic and wrong for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force."
Comparing Mandela with bin Laden is beyond absurd.
Marc
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So one wrong deserves another does it?
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Erudite_Eric wrote: So one wrong deserves another does it?
No, a wrong deserves to be righted. The whole reason for the right to bear arms is so that the people have a means of defending themselves from a corrupt government.
Marc
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And a corrupt govt does not include innocent civilans.
Look, I think Tony Blair is a terrorist and war criminal and should be locked up for life you know. I am not biassed against Mandella, it is all people who inflict pain and suffering on others in pursuit of their political goals that I detest.
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Erudite_Eric wrote: t is all people who inflict pain and suffering on others in pursuit of their political goals that I detest.
I certainly empathize with that. There's a lot of pain and suffering, and not just because of direct "violence". For example, I think this gov't is causing lots of pain and suffering with it's f*** up health care system, lobbyists, etc.
Yes, ultimately, Ghandi had it right, really embracing non-violent resistance.
Marc
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