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C^hris L^osinger21-Aug-12 1:52

21-Aug-12 1:52

it definitely doesn't count for people like me, who don't buy the MSDN.

Johnny J.21-Aug-12 1:53

Johnny J.

21-Aug-12 1:53

Are you kidding me? What serious employer who wants best productivity from the programmers doesn't supply its employees with an MSDN subscription? Confused | :confused:

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C^hris L^osinger21-Aug-12 1:56

21-Aug-12 1:56

Johnny J. wrote:
who wants best productivity from the programmers

productivity is not the product of having access to every stupid thing MS dreams up.

Johnny J.21-Aug-12 1:57

Johnny J.

21-Aug-12 1:57

Damn, you spotted the weak point in my argument... Laugh | :laugh:

C^hris L^osinger21-Aug-12 1:59

21-Aug-12 1:59

and for the record: i run my own business. and for that, i only need the C/C++ compiler. MSDN would be a total waste of money.

Eddy Vluggen22-Aug-12 0:41

Eddy Vluggen

22-Aug-12 0:41

Chris Losinger wrote:
productivity is not the product of having access to every stupid thing MS dreams up.

..that might be, but it is linked to using the best tools.

Let me guess for a second; your OS is from MS, your primary programming language is from MS and your IDE is from MS. Probably your DB and Office-suite too.

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C^hris L^osinger22-Aug-12 1:14

22-Aug-12 1:14

Eddy Vluggen wrote:
but it is linked to using the best tools.

which vs2012 might not be one of, for my needs.

Eddy Vluggen wrote:
your OS is from MS, your primary programming language is from MS and your IDE is from MS. Probably your DB and Office-suite too.

and most are a release or so behind MS's current. so, what's your point?

Version requirements confusion

Eddy Vluggen22-Aug-12 2:24

Eddy Vluggen

22-Aug-12 2:24

Chris Losinger wrote:
which vs2012 might not be one of, for my needs.

Same might apply to VS2010, if your happy with your 2008-IDE.

Chris Losinger wrote:
and most are a release or so behind MS's current. so, what's your point?

..that we'll have the same borin' bitchin' in two years with the release of VS2014, with everyone using the 2012 version happily.

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kmoorevs20-Aug-12 9:38

kmoorevs

20-Aug-12 9:38

There seems to be some confusion on what version Windows 8 supports the installation of VS 2012 Express. I downloaded and loaded the Windows 8 Release Preview Build 4200 then downloaded and tried to install the VS 2012 Express only to find the setup is blocked. (.Net version 4.5.?)
It's not that important, I just wanted a preview of what's new. I only moved to VS 2010 a month ago, so I can wait a few more months for a proper Win 8 installation.

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Re: Version requirements confusion

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe22-Aug-12 11:36

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe

22-Aug-12 11:36

The VS2012 RTM won't install on a pre-release build of Windows 8 such as the Develpper Preview - it requires Windows 8 RTM.

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Peter N Roth20-Aug-12 7:53

Peter N Roth

20-Aug-12 7:53

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Kevin McFarlane21-Aug-12 2:26

21-Aug-12 2:26

There's also a Visual Studio extension I believe. Also, MS did say they would provide an official way to do this. I assume they haven't?

Kevin

Peter N Roth21-Aug-12 3:55

Peter N Roth

21-Aug-12 3:55

If there's an "official" way, I haven't been made aware of it. I assume by "official" you mean that some way will be found to "fix" this issue from inside VS. I also await (eagerly) an official way to bring back the beautiful icons and colors of VS10 *sigh*

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Kevin McFarlane21-Aug-12 7:08

21-Aug-12 7:08

Yes, I assume "official" means a way from inside VS.

Kevin

Back to Visual Studio 2003 at one night

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe22-Aug-12 7:55

Anna-Jayne Metcalfe

22-Aug-12 7:55

If there's a way in VSX (the core Visual Studio interfaces) to set the core IDE icons I've not found it yet. I have however figured out how to dynamically change add-in icons (messy, but it works), which helps my company a bit but doesn't solve the real problem.

One oddity to contend with is that if you add any colour icons to the IDE, switching to the dark theme will cause them to be inverted and have their luminance adjusted - which can have some odd effects.

I need to find the time to do more testing with VS2012 to see what else I can turn up.

Anna

Huisheng Chen20-Aug-12 3:02

Huisheng Chen

20-Aug-12 3:02

Hi, guys, do you still remember Visual Studio 2003? no? well, it's back, with a new name called 2012... at least the look and feel...

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20-Aug-12 3:29

20-Aug-12 3:29

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Huisheng Chen20-Aug-12 23:14

Huisheng Chen

20-Aug-12 23:14

You might be right that the more we use it, the better we understand and accept it. new stuffs require time to adapt Sleepy | :zzz:

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Kevin McFarlane21-Aug-12 2:28

21-Aug-12 2:28

Collin Jasnoch wrote:
which IMO is good. 2010 had lots of glamour and distractions.

Disagree. I daresay I will get used to VS 2012 when I get round to using it but I found nothing wrong with colour and "distractions" in VS 2010.

Kevin

21-Aug-12 2:33

21-Aug-12 2:33

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Kevin McFarlane21-Aug-12 7:05

21-Aug-12 7:05

But suppose I don't find it distracting in the first place?

Kevin

21-Aug-12 8:06

21-Aug-12 8:06

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xawari22-Aug-12 0:43

xawari

22-Aug-12 0:43

That's why when in comes to Win32 I still want to use VS 6.0. Unsure | :~

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robertw01920-Aug-12 12:24

robertw019

20-Aug-12 12:24

I didn't know that VS03 had black and white themes, and I used it quite a bit.

21-Aug-12 2:34