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[Holding a banner in a crowd]
We want it back! We want it back!
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Tom Deketelaere wrote: I really liked this feature
Agreed. It was much easier to navigate with quick glances, rather than having to actually scan vertically with your eyes to get to the right message.
The United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative. -Winston Churchill
America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between. -Oscar Wilde
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It was locking up in Chrome for at least one member. Until I work through the issue it's taking a forced leave of absence.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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So we all lose because of one person?
As Spock says..."Were I to invoke logic, however, logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
Trolls[ ^]
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And look what happened there... 
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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Don't knock it; he was in the most recent movie. Twice.
Software Zen: delete this;
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No, if you look closely, one of them was Sylar...
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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This one has me a bit puzzled.
The banner add on top give a error when you right click on it and choose 'open link in new tab'.
But it works fine with ctrl+click and just click.
The really weird part tho is. Once I'v ctrl+click 'ed it once then the right click + menu works.
After a refresh of the cp page the right click doesn't work anymore.
The url that is hit when right clicking is : http://a.lakequincy.com/8820-C35E7B7[^]
The error:
Server Error
404 - File or directory not found.
The resource you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
Chrome 13.0.782.41 beta-m
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Yes, Everyone faces same error..
// ♫ 99 little bugs in the code,
// 99 bugs in the code
// We fix a bug, compile it again
// 101 little bugs in the code ♫
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I think you will find it works now. A little JavaScript magic, chanting of secret mystic words ( #$%@!! &*^%$) and the problem is solved 
Matthew
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Ah the secret mystic words, I know those all to well 
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I'm currently getting the error Error: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.. Ticket: 4734859. Server: Web24 in all Forums, (Lounge, Site Bugs/Suggestions etc.), but not in the Q & A area. I may not see anyone pick this up till it gets rectified, and it may already be reported and this is a repost but I just can't tell
Cheers,
Rhys
"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
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It is a repost
Hoping you get this in your mail box.
Do a couple ctrl+f5 till you hit another server. I had the same problem.
Seems to be web24 only, web21 and 22 are working fine.
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Yeah, got there in the end, oh, and as regards; Tom Deketelaere wrote: It is a repost
Ah-ha-ha-ha... ha-ha!
[edit]goddamn spelling mistakes[/edit]
Rhys
"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees"
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Yes, an odd one that was due to a loading issue. All good now, but a code update is coming.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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I'm getting the following error:
Error: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.. Ticket: 4733934. Server: Web24
Been like this for a while now
Don't know if this message will go thru since I'm not getting the forum anymore (page loads but no threads)
[EDIT]
Seems to be server bound
Everything is fine on web21
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Same as you, web24 is down like a card shark in a dock side game with a knife in his gut.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
Drink. Get drunk. Fall over - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
I cannot live by bread alone. Bacon and ketchup are needed as well. - Trollslayer
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb - they're often *students*, for heaven's sake - Terry Pratchett
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Thanks for reporting.
All servers are good now.
Sincerely,
Elina
Life is great!!!
Enjoy every moment of it! 
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The majority of messages that go against an article during moderation are statements or things that needs to be improved upon.
At present the default message type is Question, can this be changed to Suggestion?
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The recent changes to reputation points piqued my interest and I starting looking into the things we get points for.
I'm a little confused.
My understanding of gamification is that it's a bit like taxes and incentives. You use it to promote the kind of activity you want to see in your community.
That being the case, the awarding of points for different activities gives us an insight into the kind of community that the organisers would like to create.
Which is why I'm really confused about what it is that CodeProject wants to be.
For example, here are a few recent events from my log....
Signing In - 1 point. (nothing wrong there, it's good to promote regular use)
Post Message - 1 point. (again, good, reward people who contribute)
Source Code from Article Downloaded - 1 point (Huh! 1 point, for a download, oookaaay)
Message Upvoted - 24 points (this is taking the piss). I write a moderately witty post and I get multiple awards of 24 points. How can this possibly be 24 times better than providing source code that someone goes to the trouble of downloading?
Note, I'm not complaining about the system. Frankly if there was no reputation system at all on CodeProject it wouldn't make one iota of difference to me.
I'm interested in Gamification, and CodeProject is an interesting case of it.
I'm just trying to understand why the system is gamed the way it is. I'm sure a lot of thought goes into the kind of site CodeProject should be, and how to game the points system to nudge things in that direction.
-Richard
Hit any user to continue.
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I think the downloads should be weighted too.
But then if you give an answer, you can get multiple 40 points for the answer, that seems fair.
I think the main problem is the downloads were too heavily scored.
Perhaps the first 50 should be at a higher rate, the next 50 at a lower rate etc until after say 300 downloads they fall to 1 point each.
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I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
CCC Link[ ^]
Trolls[ ^]
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Richard A. Dalton wrote: Message Upvoted - 24 points (this is taking the piss). I write a moderately witty post and I get multiple awards of 24 points. How can this possibly be 24 times better than providing source code that someone goes to the trouble of downloading?
Its not. But that is exactly why there are categories like Author, Debator etc.
Debator points are good to earn and make you feel part of the site.
However, they may or may not be contributing to helping others compared to downloading source code etc.
Download points go into the Author category.
I don't think I'm able to convey what I mean here completely, but I hope you get a general idea.
Too much of heaven can bring you underground
Heaven can always turn around
Too much of heaven, our life is all hell bound
Heaven, the kill that makes no sound
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I think you brought up some interesting points. These points have been debated in the past to some extent but they are good points none the less. +5
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Abhinav[^], has hit the nail on the head with regards to the flaw in your analysis.
Richard A. Dalton wrote: Message Upvoted - 24 points
These points only go in the debator category, so they only increase your 'standing' in The Lounge and the other general forums. This enhances the 'self-moderating' ethos of the site. I, for example, am platinum in Debator, indicating I have a fair understanding of what goes down well and what doesn't in the Lounge. I can therefore use my voting weight to encourage the well recieved posts, or discourage the No-no's. A good example is non-Western newbies posting bad jokes in the Lounge, most only ever make that mistake once, if there was no rating system, we would have to tell the newbie direct that his joke was sh*t and....well as you can imagine, he will probably be put off for life.
If you look at my Authority rep though, I'm paper-status or something low-ranked, so if I voted on your article, my vote will be weighted very lightly despite having a reasonably high overall Rep. Therefore, a platinum member can look at your article, decide my vote was unfair, and more than compensate for it in the process.
You have to remember the overall rep is not used to weight your contribution, only the category rep relevant to the site feature you are acting in. The rep system is almost perfect as it is, and does serve a purpose.
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The reputation system was mostly designed to award members for participation, and not so much as a driver of any particular behaviour, though this is certainly baked into it as well.
A couple of examples might make things clearer.
An author posts an article. That's awesome and they get 100 times the number of points that someone posting a message in the lounge would get (the base currency). The value of their article, however, isn't 100 points. The value completely depends on how the community accepts the article. The 100 points is merely a down-payment, so to speak, and as members vote for the article, download the zips, and bookmark it, more and more points accumulate providing the author with the true reward for an article. The weighting system kicks in heavily here and is designed specifically to counter sock puppets while also recognising the value of an experienced vote.
A different example is that of posting a witty message in the lounge. A message is posted, it gets its single point, and then members love it, hate it, or ignore it, and it achieves votes and bookmarks that provide an indication of the communities reaction. Members can accrue a large number of points for being active, interesting, or even just entertaining in the community, and can almost as quickly lose those points for being anti-social.
In both examples the system is designed to continue rewarding members for activity long after they have carried out an action. This isn't a system designed to guide you through a maze like a rat. This is a system designed to reward the members because we, as site organisers, want to recognise the contributions, in all ways, that members make.
For an author posting an article they will achieve Author points as their contributions are awarded. A small number initially, but then over time they gain the true value with points awarded from all members who are helped by the author. Similarly for those answering questions: they get Authority points. Those posting in the Lounge get Debator points which recognise their contribution to the community but do not, in practice, provide them much in the way of access to special functionality or rights.
The Debator points were a fundamental design of the system because we have many, many members who rarely answer a question, or have never posted an article or a tip, but who nevertheless may be in the core of the community. They provide great conversation, insights, help to others in general ways, police the forums and report malicious activity or just nudge members back on track. Even if points gained don't provide as many practical benefits as, say, an author, they are important and should be recognised.
There are definitely a few apparant inconsistencies within the system that could be debated forever (and probably will) but obviously no system is perfect. We only weight voting (opinion) actions and not usage actions like downloads or bookmarks. We value a download as 1 point and a bookmark as 5 points, partly because our feeling, and member behaviour, seemed to suggest a download was done "just to see" while a bookmark implied a member valued the item enough to revisit. We also don't reward views - partly because we don't have fractions of a point, but mostly because identifying a real view from a spider or bot is near impossible to do with accuracy.
cheers,
Chris Maunder
The Code Project | Co-founder
Microsoft C++ MVP
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